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Old 08-11-2017, 06:40 AM   #1
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Forum Reorganization Discussion

The topic of forum reorganization has come up many times in this forum, and it's something that's been discussed quite a bit in the mod forum over the last few months.

The main idea of this reorganization is to help the forums thrive by ensuring each one has sufficient traffic to make for good discussions, and to reduce confusion for members/visitors (especially new ones) when trying to find the right forum to post in, and/or topics of interest. Or, as Mat succinctly put it:

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what i want to see is a less confusing place for new users and an improved experience for existing users.
To this point, we certainly haven't arrived at consensus on all possible changes, and I never expected we would. However, I think some great ideas have come forward and been incorporated into the overall plan, now in its fourth revision.

While discussion of most forums is on the table, I'll mention a few things to keep in mind. We have a number of forums that are related to different 2+2 commercial interests that may not be high-traffic, but we will want to keep on their own anyway. Things like the 2+2 Magazine & Bonus forums, for example. Commercial Marketplace, Coaching, etc. That's not to say they couldn't be changed as well, of course, just that there will be more considerations than how busy they are. And in general, not every slow forum needs to be merged/killed/what have you. Some may serve a purpose even if they aren't very busy, that wouldn't work well within another forum. We don't want to break up communities and drive people away.

We've actually already made quite a few changes in our strategy forums after consultation with moderators and the forum members. We started with Limit, then No Limit, and earlier today made some changes in the Tournament forums. The final thing we'll be looking at are the Other Poker forums.

There are a few changes that have been made but not incorporated into the sidebar yet, as that's a separate process - primarily the Tournament forum changes and the merging of Classified Listings into the Commercial Marketplace.

So, on to the possible plan as it looks at this point.



Now, a few things to note:

Only the strategy forum categories appear in this list rather than the individual forums, as those changes are mostly complete, and are happening in consultation directly with those communities.

Student Life and The Studio are missing, as they will likely be closed/merged.

Other forums to close/merge - at this point, I don't think there are any others being given serious consideration. Two that came up, but have been clearly vetoed by management, are TWSS and History.

International Forums are missing as any changes there would be strictly a management decision.

You'll notice the list starts with a "Popular Forums" category, the idea being to have the forums people look for most be the easiest to find. These forums would still appear in their relevant categories.

Other ideas that have come forward but not been incorporated into the plan at this time:
  • TWSS in Communities rather than Poker News and Discussion.
  • Merging some Community forums (this comes from another ATF thread).
  • Merging Live Casino Poker sub-forums Communities and Poker Venues and then making the resulting Poker Venues forum a top-level forum instead of a sub-forum. At the same time, rename LCP something like Rules & Etiquette.

Anything and everything is open for discussion and suggestions. And the plan doesn't necessarily end here - it could be that we decide on some changes, make them, and then look at more in the future.
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Old 08-11-2017, 12:25 PM   #2
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

could you remove sporting events from popular forums, don't really want more casuals stopping by
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Old 08-11-2017, 04:47 PM   #3
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Instead of 86ing The Studio, why not make it a sub of The Lounge? There is a pretty regular, albeit small, group of regular posters there.

There's no discussion about 86ing the economics sub in Politics, and it's basically just Trolly posting about Sumo wrestling. It would be ridiculous to leave it but 86 The Studio imo.
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Old 08-11-2017, 05:31 PM   #4
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Yeah, keeping the economics sub makes no sense. It's been brought up before but nothing ever happens to it.
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Old 08-11-2017, 08:32 PM   #5
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Nuke politics,sports and oot then everything else will take care of itself
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Old 08-11-2017, 09:10 PM   #6
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Somehow Politics v7.0 doesn't look optimal for a longstanding forum name. How about the "boring" Politics 2. Maybe not, but there has to be a better name than the current.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:55 AM   #7
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Alternative Politics
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:56 AM   #8
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:50 AM   #9
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

If merging communities I think merging The Lounge and EDF is the best alternative. OOT would be the major one, The Lounge the alternative. And 4L the a bit childish rebellion.

nsfw

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Old 08-12-2017, 08:45 AM   #10
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

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There's no discussion about 86ing the economics sub in Politics, and it's basically just Trolly posting about Sumo wrestling.
Not true. I also post pictures of adorable baby hippos.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:08 PM   #11
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Good main idea, the Popular Forums thing. Even with the downsides.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:16 PM   #12
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Good main idea, the Popular Forums thing.

pffft

BBV4L has more threads and posts than OOT


4L: 39,254 threads. 3,367,961 posts

OOT: 17,169 threads. 2,495,681 posts


OOT clearly more popular than BBV4L

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Old 08-12-2017, 11:26 PM   #13
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Somehow I'm skeptical that Mat will allow the Politics forum to show up under the 'Popular' heading.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:32 PM   #14
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

BBV4L absolutely crushes politics in popularity


4L: 39,254 threads. 3,367,961 posts

Politics: 9,391 threads. 1,636,459 posts
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:35 PM   #15
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

You need to look at how much action they have now. Maybe the best (easiest) way is to look at which date the post at the lower end of the first main page has. Counting Current Active Users is a good way too, the most correct if taking the time to get the averages right.

ziczac, I think they will have to go with real popularity, some undisputable number criterion. Otherwise this will be...(deleted profanity)

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Old 08-12-2017, 11:40 PM   #16
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If merging communities I think merging The Lounge and EDF is the best alternative. OOT would be the major one, The Lounge the alternative. And 4L the a bit childish rebellion.

nsfw
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You need to look at how much action they have now. Maybe the best way is to look at which date the post at the lower end of the first main page has.

Hey don't you post in SMP?



4L: 39,254 threads. 3,367,961 posts

SMP: 7,071 threads. 277,020 posts


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Old 08-12-2017, 11:40 PM   #17
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I'm pretty content to keep 4L in its current obscure and low traffic status.
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Old 08-12-2017, 11:44 PM   #18
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I'm just pointing out that it's crazy to infer or state that OOT is more popular than BBV4L. I'm also defending the place, cause someone is ****ting on it and suggesting to merge it. Regardless, it's not going anywhere, and it will be around for a long time. The Grand Poo-Bah himself has said this.

BBV4L
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Old 08-13-2017, 04:22 AM   #19
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

What about POG?
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Old 08-13-2017, 09:28 AM   #20
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What about POG?
Looks to be on par with 4L. Not quite making it among the big guys.

Yet.
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:44 PM   #21
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

Keep 4L, and POG.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:13 PM   #22
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Instead of 86ing The Studio, why not make it a sub of The Lounge? There is a pretty regular, albeit small, group of regular posters there.
wouldn't mind this happening at all. would keep the threads intact and still have a place for our small group to go without having to search all over.
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Old 08-13-2017, 02:18 PM   #23
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:03 PM   #24
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Re: Forum Reorganization Discussion

I thought the title said Forum Degeneration Repercussions.

Then I realised it was just me.
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:33 PM   #25
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Solid misinterpretation, should probably re-title this thread.

Also, shouldn't BBV be at the top of the "popular forums" list?
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