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Old 12-06-2011, 08:01 PM   #1
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Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

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As one of the regs of the wrestling thread in OOT, I would like to request a sub-forum devoted to wrestling/MMA/fighting (boxing perhaps as well?) in the sports section. I only care about the wrestling, but certainly MMA and its variants has a constantly increasing following that would spawn a lot of threads and chatter as well.

Reasons for a Sub-forum of this Kind:

1. OOT Hates Us
Granted that part of me is amused by how many people are pissed about our threadzilla being perpetually bumped to the front page of OOT, but in general I do think it's better to practice containment if a topic is pervasive enough that it's causing a significant annoyance in the community. We have run drafts as well in OOT, which doubles our visibility and the venom we receive. Considering the vitriol and the fact that, while I'm kind of a prick, I still believe in overall politeness...I think it would be best if our long-running conversation were moved to another sub-forum on 2p2.

2. The Traffic Justifies It
47,000+ posts in OOT doesn't lie. By comparison, a sub-forum such as Pool, Snooker, and Billiards appears to have just reached the 2500 post mark in its 15.5 months of existence. Basically, that's just one sub-forum I picked at random that would likely be low on traffic...it gets an average of 5.3 posts per day. The wrestling thread, around since March '08, has reached its large total of posts by registering ~35 posts per day. As mentioned in point #1, we are perpetually bumped to the front of OOT, and the interest level is not going to die out. And that only speaks to wrestling; put MMA in the mix and that number would undoubtedly be higher. Others can speak better than I can to its level of interest on 2p2 since I am not really an MMA guy. Regardless, it looks like wrestling content alone would provide 6-7 times the amount of traffic that another of your sub-forums does. A quick gander at some other forums indicates to me that I didn't just randomly pick one that we generate more posts than, either...but those in charge of a decision like this would know better than me as to which forums get hits and which don't.

3. We Are a Community
We keep the talk to wrestling as much as possible, but despite some long-running feuds amongst us we basically get along at almost all times and we tend to not want to ONLY talk about wrestling. We would require very little moderation and I think we could have a pretty enjoyable LC thread along with the wrestling threads. It would at least give ItsRainingMen somewhere to post his non-sequitirs until his inevitable perma-ban. But in all seriousness, the community aspect both speaks to how traffic has steadily increased over time and also speaks to a need for somewhere to put the overflow conversation.

4. Far Better Reading/Posting/Navigability For Us
Individual threads for the PPVs. Threads devoted to the weekly episodes. Threads that are containment for spoilers/rumors. That last one is pretty key because those who choose to avoid plot spoilers/rumors can't fully avoid them by reading our current thread. Even though people ARE good about sticking to spoiler tags to cover things up, the mere existence of these little tangents ends up hinting at something to those who are trying to avoid finding things out. I think the individual threads have a lot of potential to make for a better posting experience for the legion of us who religiously post about this stuff (regardless of what you think of our childish hobby). Believe it or not, there are a lot of different layers to talking wrestling, past and present and speculation about the future, etc., and to clump it all into one thread doesn't make for the easiest following.

Not only those of us regs in the wrestling thread but many, many posters in OOT will thank you for finally exiling us to another place on this site if you choose to grant our request. Thank you for your consideration.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:06 PM   #2
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

I don't think you need your own subforum. Why not just move the thread and disucssion to OOTV?

I think the various other mma and boxing communities would prefer to keep their distance.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:09 PM   #3
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

Are you talking about WWF type wrestling? Because that's not a sport, it's a male soap opera.

MMA and boxing are legitimate sports. WWF, while it certainly requires athleticism and training, is not.

OOTV seems like a good place for it, though. It is a soap opera, after all.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:09 PM   #4
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I don't think you need your own subforum. Why not just move the thread and disucssion to OOTV?

I think the various other mma and boxing communities would prefer to keep their distance.
1. The OOTV thing has already been discussed and refuted. Our discussions go beyond the TV episodes. I don't know why you're opposing this when you were the last one to get on our case for being in OOT. I'm trying to politely get our discussion out of your way.

2. If that is true, and it's certainly possible, that's why I cited traffic numbers that showed that wrestling on its own is already getting way more traffic than a lot of current sub-forums. That by itself justifies it.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:11 PM   #5
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MMA and boxing are legitimate sports. WWF, while it certainly requires athleticism and training, is not.
Yeah nobody is going to contend that it is a real sport. It's simply the most apt sub-section to put it under. Big wrestling news does show up occasionally on ESPN, etc., so those outlets do agree that it's kind of sort of in the general arena of sports while clearly still not being one.
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Damn 4lers sure do hate wrasslin.


Lold @ WWF though.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:13 PM   #7
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

+1 to a new forum. The wrestling thread has grown to a point where one thread simply isn't enough. There's too much going on, be it discussion of Raw, Sheep and Peehs, rumors or drafts. It would be much better to have individual threads devoted to each of these along with MMA and other fighting type stuff. And like LKJ said in the OP very little moderation would be needed.
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:14 PM   #8
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Yeah nobody is going to contend that it is a real sport. It's simply the most apt sub-section to put it under. Big wrestling news does show up occasionally on ESPN, etc., so those outlets do agree that it's kind of sort of in the general arena of sports while clearly still not being one.
ESPN also shows spelling bees. :P

I don't mind the thread as is in OOT personally, but I think your idea to combine it with MMA and boxing is pretty bad since, again, it's not a real sport.

Since it's not a real sport, I think putting it in SE doesn't make sense, but then I don't know where else it would go. Maybe just have OOT mods infract/ban a couple of trolls that are popping in there just to bitch about their being a wrestling thread and you guys can all go back to your community of wrestling fans without getting mocked for it.
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

This has been discussed before in our TZ and in the two MMA threads.

I believe a MMA/Boxing/Wrestling forum would give us all our own place to discuss things and not alienate others
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:18 PM   #10
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This has been discussed before in our TZ and in the two MMA threads.

I believe a MMA/Boxing/Wrestling forum would give us all our own place to discuss things and not alienate others
I think if made an MMA/Boxing/Wrestling forum the causal observer would assume it referred to real wrestling, not spandex tights wearing steroid dudes wrestling.

But I didn't realize the OOT Wrestling thread was that big, either, so I guess it shows what I know (about WWF Wrestling, not very much. About Boxing/MMA, a moderate amount for a fan).
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Old 12-06-2011, 08:18 PM   #11
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

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Since it's not a real sport, I think putting it in SE doesn't make sense, but then I don't know where else it would go. Maybe just have OOT mods infract/ban a couple of trolls that are popping in there just to bitch about their being a wrestling thread and you guys can all go back to your community of wrestling fans without getting mocked for it.
I'm happy to concede the MMA/boxing part, I don't even care about that. If others want it then they can take up that fight.

And for what it's worth I don't care about the mockery nor do most of us...I mean, certainly nobody's feelings are getting hurt. I just think it's courteous for us to get out of the way.

Since the section is "sports and games," which obviously goes well outside of actual sports and heads to the fringes, a sub-forum for this within that umbrella makes sense. And point #4 of the OP is not a small one. It would be a way better experience for us, which is obviously why I'm bothering to take up the side of the debate for us despite the fact that I think it's best for both us and for the rest of the site who doesn't want to be bothered too.
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

Somehow it feels like "LOL Wrestling is fake" is not a sufficient argument against creating a subforum.
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Re: Formal request for a wrestling/MMA/fighting sub-forum

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Somehow it feels like "LOL Wrestling is fake" is not a sufficient argument against creating a subforum.
Ty the Wrestlemania thread gets way more hits than a lot of sub-forums. It only makes sense that something so popular would be deserving of it's own.

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Old 12-06-2011, 08:23 PM   #14
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Somehow it feels like "LOL Wrestling is fake" is not a sufficient argument against creating a subforum.
I was thinking about it not making sense to combine it with Boxing/MMA (one fake, two not fake), but TBH if the boxing/MMA crowd doesn't have a problem with it and would like their own subforum combined with WWF Wrestling, then it's all good AFAIK.

Well, it's all good if TPTB also agree, of course.
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I believe this was discussed earlier. As long as it is labeled correctly it should work well
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