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05-11-2015 , 11:15 PM
i'm obviously way late to the party here, but if hotlinking images is a bann-able offense (even if it's not the sole reason for this particular ban) it should be clearly stated in the B&M guideline sticky, no?

also, i'm probably the only guy in B&M who likes maxvalue's posts. it's usually for games i don't play so i'm not "as interested" as i would be... but i wish there were more trip reports in these threads. gives a relate-able perspective on the rooms. can easily skip those posts if you don't like them. i'd rather hear a boring trip report than a repeat of someone complaining about the tourney schedule not being posted.

i also would like to state that i very much appreciate that this site has this option for resolution/clarification. a lot us really enjoy and put a lot into these forums. it's nice to have a voice/defense when needed.
05-11-2015 , 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 85chickasaw
i'm obviously way late to the party here, but if hotlinking images is a bann-able offense (even if it's not the sole reason for this particular ban) it should be clearly stated in the B&M guideline sticky, no?

also, i'm probably the only guy in B&M who likes maxvalue's posts. it's usually for games i don't play so i'm not "as interested" as i would be... but i wish there were more trip reports in these threads. gives a relate-able perspective on the rooms. can easily skip those posts if you don't like them. i'd rather hear a boring trip report than a repeat of someone complaining about the tourney schedule not being posted.

i also would like to state that i very much appreciate that this site has this option for resolution/clarification. a lot us really enjoy and put a lot into these forums. it's nice to have a voice/defense when needed.
Thanks for the input. We're working presently to resolve the issue w/r/t the sticky.

I like TRs too. Those definitely weren't the problem posts. But maxvalue1234 did start a thread in PG&C if you want to follow his poker progress more closely.
05-12-2015 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by GMLAW
Yeah it's so hurtful for you. I'm sorry, but you are really pissing me off with these 'hurt feelings'.

You are such a wonderful guy that in the 'So I am pretty sure I might marry a high class escort'-thread you have been a kind soul. There is a thread with a clearly mentally unstable person and you are attacking him and his appearances out of the blue. Calling him "Fatt Damon", "Does the mole ride in coach class?". "Don't get any mole on you."etc. Yeah, I can see how someone using the word '******' hurts such a thoughtful, and considerate guy as you.

It's clear you are a wonderful person. Wonderful indeed.
Oooooohhh ****.
05-12-2015 , 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 85chickasaw
i'm obviously way late to the party here, but if hotlinking images is a bann-able offense (even if it's not the sole reason for this particular ban) it should be clearly stated in the B&M guideline sticky, no?

also, i'm probably the only guy in B&M who likes maxvalue's posts. it's usually for games i don't play so i'm not "as interested" as i would be... but i wish there were more trip reports in these threads. gives a relate-able perspective on the rooms. can easily skip those posts if you don't like them. i'd rather hear a boring trip report than a repeat of someone complaining about the tourney schedule not being posted.

i also would like to state that i very much appreciate that this site has this option for resolution/clarification. a lot us really enjoy and put a lot into these forums. it's nice to have a voice/defense when needed.
+ 1 - even if Rapini is a formidible foe (and yes I am aware of the irony of posting + 1 in the same breath as mentioning Rapini's name given his distaste of this symbol)
05-12-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
I think while well-intentioned, Max has been thrashing around B&M like a bull in a china shop. His enthusiasm and interest in the Tampa Hard Rock thread has been a positive addition, IMO, but he has stepped across the lines more than a few times in regard to low/no content posts and some trolling.

I think there are a few considerations about the process of warnings/bannings that should be discussed. First, I am too old to know what a hotlink is, but somewhere reading these forums I have picked up that it is bad. But I'm not sure where it actually says that. And given that Max was specifically warned about it, and then did it again, a temp ban is clearly appropriate.

As to the way posts that violate rules are addressed, there can be some confusion about that. I remember the first time I had a post deleted, I had no idea what had happened. It was just gone. No one told me why, or even that it was related to violating a T&C. For all I knew, it was a technical glitch. Later I deduced that getting posts deleted was because a mod thought they broke the rules, but that was from reading posts from mods about "cleaning up threads". It's obvious once you've been on the site for a while, but I can relate to how relatively new posters might not immediately equate a missing post as a warning that a ban is ahead.

But in this case, Max was in fact warned, so there's that. But I thought we had gone to a system where you got temp banned for violations, and that permabans were going to be rare for the very worst offenders. The temp ban for Max's hotlinking seems to follow that pattern. But the exile from B&M, which includes the Tampa Hard Rock thread, if not also temp as the hotlinking ban was, seems to contradict that policy.

IMO, getting exiled from B&M permanently while still being allowed to see the rest of the site is really no different than a permaban from the site entirely. I post almost exclusively in B&M and the THR thread. So the punishment effect of a permanent exile from B&M is as punitive as a permaban from the entire site. I think it's little consolation to a B&M poster to say "don't worry, it's not so bad, you can still post in BBV4L and SMP!"

Therefore I would suggest an appropriate intermediate punishment along the punishment spectrum would be a temp ban from B&M for a few days which would serve the purpose of absolutely getting a posters attention and make him realize what he will be missing if he comes back and continues his old ways. This will also insure that if a poster misses the message that deleted posts and mod comments were meant to send, he will have one last chance to get the message loud and clear before permanent exile.

So cliffs: I think Max is a well intentioned but at times thick headed poster (sorry Max) who has both made postive contributions and violated rules repeatedly. I recommend a temp exile for a few days to let it all sink in, and then let Max come back to B&M.

Plus, part of it may be a generational thing because:


Since this is an airing of the laundry thread. I will chime in and say I appreciate Max's posts because due to the rules, otherwise it's very dry. There's only so much I want to read about the next tournament structure.

And I'm not bashing the rules, I get why they are there and even if I don't, the people who run the site make the rules. End of story.

As for mods, I would suggest all give them a break as much as possible. They have a tough job with I'm guessing zero pay. It's like yelling at a little league umpire who is just a dad who volunteered to umpire games other than his own kids. Not cool.
05-12-2015 , 02:41 PM
This character ripped off my 'God' quip w/o crediting me. BANBANBANBANBANBAN!!!!!
05-12-2015 , 02:48 PM
RB,

You might get taken more seriously if you were posting about a forum that you actually posted in.
05-17-2015 , 09:46 AM
amazing thread
mat for admin!
05-25-2015 , 12:19 PM
I'm glad to see Max's exile was overturned as I too think this was another example of over modding. Some of his posts may be bad but overall he has positive contributions to give to the forum and his "infractions" certainly didn't warrant an exile.


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Originally Posted by Rapini
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...s-more-285800/

Save the memes for forums other than B&M.

Oh and this meme that was posted in B&M? I'm assuming you sent yourself a PM warning yourself that memes are for other forums, right?

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Originally Posted by Rapini

Sorry to beat a dead horse but hypocrisy really grinds my gears. I'm glad to see this was a productive thread though both for OP and for getting an additional mod added to LCP.
05-25-2015 , 07:59 PM
glad everyone is happy. thread need not continue.
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