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05-09-2015 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
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History.

Last edited by plaaynde; 05-09-2015 at 02:37 PM.
05-09-2015 , 02:49 PM
Congratulations browser!

Although, all this talk about your age confuses me. I look back on when I was your age as the good old days.
05-09-2015 , 04:34 PM
Pardon if this is a repeat post. I don't know if the first one went through as I'm having connectivity issues with 2p2 at the moment.


I will make this shorter. I don't like MV's posts and I may ignore him at some point, but I don't think he's done anything near enough to deserving exile from the forum.
05-09-2015 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234
Exiled from B&M
Spoiler:
05-09-2015 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer


When Rapini and I were discussing suggestions for our replacements had we been demoted a couple months ago,
This is a tad ironic. It's like, "Hey Mat, I know you don't want us to mod anymore, but check out browser, Angus, psandman and possibly Didace, as they've passed our nit test. Kthx."
05-09-2015 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart

I will make this shorter. I don't like MV's posts and I may ignore him at some point, but I don't think he's done anything near enough to deserving exile from the forum.
Pretty much this, but that avatar combined with his cheesy posting and I can see how one could make a rash decision and pull out the banhammer.
05-09-2015 , 07:25 PM
Another thread about Rapini. Go figure.

Mat, when will you revisit the idea of taking his Mod Badge away?

OP is a piece of work, but...come on man.
05-09-2015 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tylertwo
Congratulations browser!

Although, all this talk about your age confuses me. I look back on when I was your age as the good old days.
Thanks.

It's a shame you dont live in Tampa. I could listen to Civil War stories all day
05-09-2015 , 10:43 PM
I definitely could see this coming to MaxValue. That in itself is not a good thing.
05-10-2015 , 01:53 AM
No matter what is done, no matter how many adjustments over the years, no matter taking radical action, no matter how many rule changes there are still Rapini threads. He is a God.
05-10-2015 , 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
No matter what is done, no matter how many adjustments over the years, no matter taking radical action, no matter how many rule changes there are still Rapini threads. He is a God.
Yep he is a god with Bobo being the supreme god of course.
05-10-2015 , 02:29 AM
05-10-2015 , 03:00 AM
and, of course, what would one of these threads be without Lattimer groveling vapidly at the feet of the Rapini altar...
05-10-2015 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234
Per Matt Sklansky, I am creating this ATF thread to seek support in being allowed back into the B&M forums, as I was recently exiled by the moderator Rapini. Here is the situation from my view:


FIRST OFFENSE

I originally got involved in the B&M section in the Seminole Tampa Hard Rock thread. My posts in that thread were coming off too much like my own personal blog.

I received a private message from Rapini that was concise and respectful, in regards to my posting style. I complied with that message and changed my voice in that thread to be on topic and not bloggish.

In addition, I have been instrumental in bringing back the 10/20 Omaha hi/lo cash game to the Tampa Hard Rock, a game that used to run regularly years ago but hadn't been seen for awhile (we started it back up last Saturday and got two tables running, despite it being the Mayweather fight and that not being shown in the poker room)

THE "TIPPING" POINT

I also posted in the Tipping Containment thread. I had a situation where I delayed my hand for two minutes in order to qualify for the next half hours high hand promotion in that room (a common thing that is done in this particular room) My post was in regards on how to handle tipping in that situation.

Some posters started discussing the ethics of delaying the high hand, and Rapini took our posts and made a separate thread to discuss the ethics involved.

In that thread, a poster had made an argument I agreed with, so in response I posted this image:



In addition, despite the new thread being meant for a discussion on the ethics of delaying a hand to qualify for a promotion, my OP that Rapini carried over still discussed the tipping element. So posters in that new thread also discussed the tipping etiquette, which I responded to.

I then received a PM from Rapini telling me I had been "warned multiple times" and that if I continued to violate forum rules I would be banned.

The ONLY time prior that I had received a message from Rapini regarding my running afoul of forum rules was the one regarding my posting in the Hard Rock Tampa thread as if it was a personal blog. I complied and adjusted based on that message.

From my understanding of this situation, Rapini felt that deleting my posts (and others) in a thread that he felt were off topic, and then posting in that thread saying "I have deleted posts, keep this on track" qualified as these "multiple warnings" that he is mentioning.

The problem there is that when a moderator does something like that, it doesn't clue posters in that their posts have been moderated, it's vague and lacks specificity, unlike the first PM I received from him. Because people make multiple posts across multiple sections of this forum, it's hard to expect them to realize they have been personally moderated with such a vague approach.

In one of the PM's I received from Rapini it said if I hotlinked an image or discussed tipping outside of the tipping containment thread I would be banned.

While in the ethics discussion regarding delaying a hand for a promotion, I made a post asking those who said their ethics would not permit them to delay for a minute or two to win the $500 high hand jackpot, would they delay:

30 seconds? 10 seconds? What about if the prize to be won was 10K, 100K or...




Would they still approach this the same or were their ethics more situational/flexible?

I felt that was a pretty valid point to bring up, but because I had hotlinked that image, I received a multi-day temp-ban from the forums and wound up exiled from B&M, all for posting an image (Rapini sent me a pm saying that image was why I was being banned)

I can't argue that Rapini didn't warn me about being banned for hotlinking an image. However, I can argue that:

1. I am unable to find anything in the B&M posted rules that states one cannot hotlink images. There is a mention of not being permitted to make "no content/low content" posts, so I can see how my clapping picture would fall under that, but the jerry yang picture was within the context of my post, regarding how peoples ethics would differ if the prize were $1 million rather than $500

2. When Rapini sent me the pm saying I had been "warned multiple times" I had only received one pm from him up until that point, and all the other warnings were vague "I've deleted posts in this thread" type warnings that didn't notify me specifically that I had posts that had been moderated

3. Rapini has a 5-year history of fairly heavy-handed moderation, and I feel this is another clear over-reaction to posting a few pictures in the B&M forum



4. I'm certainly not perfect, I've done my share of low content or even trolling on these forums, but I do feel I have improved and moved further away from that sort of thing. And I do feel I have positive contributions to still make in the B&M forum and would appreciate being reinstated.
You are a piece of work, you know that. You can sure be nice when you want to be.

What does any of Rapinis "history" have to do with your immature and rude behavior towards members of 2 + 2? You got pissed off at a few posters in the clash of clans thread, and decided to defecate all ov e r everybody's posts whether they were in relation to you or not.

Now you have this thread, one hand out for makeup and support, and the other hand with a knife to rapini. You can't be trusted.
05-10-2015 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Randomly Banned.
Another thread about Rapini. Go figure.

Mat, when will you revisit the idea of taking his Mod Badge away?

OP is a piece of work, but...come on man.
Actually given that, as has already been stated, this exile was OKed by Mat, it really isn't about Rapini at all. And going from the posts ITT, it sounds like the exile wasn't all that shocking.

This thread is meant to be about whether OP's exile should be lifted.

But of course that won't stop you from marching out your tired "demod Rapini" agenda once again, will it?

Give it a ****ing rest already.
05-10-2015 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
What does any of Rapinis "history" have to do with your immature and rude behavior towards members of 2 + 2? You got pissed off at a few posters in the clash of clans thread, and decided to defecate all ov e r everybody's posts whether they were in relation to you or not.

His history is certainly relevant (as is my own) because there is a clear pattern of Rapini over-moderating in B&M, not only based on the threads about it over the past half a decade, but also based on the actions taken by the site admins (creating a Mortar & Brick section free from Rapini, etc)

As far as you bringing up the CoC thread, that wasn't the reason I was banned, but if you'd like to submit that as your evidence against me, I would say this:

It was multiple members of the Poker Degens clan in that section of the forum who initiated that flame war.

I simply stated that I wasn't interested in joining your clan because there were too many lower level town halls and I wanted to be in a clan where I could receive troop donations of similar level to my own.

Then some members of the Degens clan took offense to that and started insulting me, and I returned the sentiment in kind. That went on for quite some time, but if you've paid any attention to that thread for awhile now, you'd notice that I have not butted heads with people like I did in the past, and actually congratulated the Degens for breaking their war slump.
05-10-2015 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
And going from the posts ITT, it sounds like the exile wasn't all that shocking.
I disagree, the math clearly shows more members feel that the exile was overkill. Here is my tally (I have left out members whose posts didn't specify one way or another their position):

MEMBERS WHO FEEL THE EXILE WAS NOT APPROPRIATE

FigMan
browser2920
ScreaminAsian
albedoa
PokerXanadu
ReidLockhart
Land O Lakes
Randomly Banned

IN SUPPORT OF THE EXILE REMAINING

bundy5
grenzen
05-10-2015 , 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234
I disagree, the math clearly shows more members feel that the exile was overkill. Here is my tally (I have left out members whose posts didn't specify one way or another their position):

MEMBERS WHO FEEL THE EXILE WAS NOT APPROPRIATE

FigMan
browser2920
ScreaminAsian
albedoa
PokerXanadu
ReidLockhart
Land O Lakes
Randomly Banned

IN SUPPORT OF THE EXILE REMAINING

bundy5
grenzen
Don't take my posts itt being indicative of supporting the decision to excile you from Rapini.
05-10-2015 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Don't take my posts itt being indicative of supporting the decision to excile you from Rapini.
I wasn't sure how else to take

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I definitely could see this coming to MaxValue. That in itself is not a good thing.
but as supportive of the exile, but thanks for not being in support of it?
05-10-2015 , 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234
I wasn't sure how else to take

but as supportive of the exile, but thanks for not being in support of it?
I was just telling you how I could foresee it coming just looking at your posting style that it would irritate Rapini to the point that he would ban you (yes I know Rapini will say that Mat gave him the ok but when Rapini comes to Mat at this stage with the history of the poster in question it would be hard for Mat to be bothered to overturn it despite Rapini not doing everything he could have done in terms of giving infractions first etc).

That's why I said that it was a bad thing in itself that it would be IMO his personal distaste for you that would see you banned rather than you being banned after the full disciplinary mod powers being exhausted which are at his disposal.
05-10-2015 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Actually given that, as has already been stated, this exile was OKed by Mat, it really isn't about Rapini at all. And going from the posts ITT, it sounds like the exile wasn't all that shocking.

This thread is meant to be about whether OP's exile should be lifted.

But of course that won't stop you from marching out your tired "demod Rapini" agenda once again, will it?

Give it a ****ing rest already.
The reason he was exiled is what I am commenting about and how the well known Mod comported himself leading up to the (soon to be overturned) ban from B&M.

And yes, Mat approved but the way it was handled up to that point was classic Rapini. He's made no changes and there's no hope that he will. He's simply the worst.

I'm sorry you're unhappy with my opinion. I say we should aways be kind to others and the most kind thing we can do for Rapini is to thank him for his years of service and retire his Mod badge.

Again, sorry my opinion angered you so.
05-10-2015 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxValue1234
His history is certainly relevant (as is my own) because there is a clear pattern of Rapini over-moderating in B&M, not only based on the threads about it over the past half a decade, but also based on the actions taken by the site admins (creating a Mortar & Brick section free from Rapini, etc)

As far as you bringing up the CoC thread, that wasn't the reason I was banned, but if you'd like to submit that as your evidence against me, I would say this:

It was multiple members of the Poker Degens clan in that section of the forum who initiated that flame war.

I simply stated that I wasn't interested in joining your clan because there were too many lower level town halls and I wanted to be in a clan where I could receive troop donations of similar level to my own.

Then some members of the Degens clan took offense to that and started insulting me, and I returned the sentiment in kind. That went on for quite some time, but if you've paid any attention to that thread for awhile now, you'd notice that I have not butted heads with people like I did in the past, and actually congratulated the Degens for breaking their war slump.
I don't have any evidence, I was not part of the private messages, or did not see all of the stuff you were doing. But I did start to see you posting over in the casino side with pictures, comments, stuff that was totally irrelevant.

My first thought was what a big fool you are making of yourself. You are doing that again by ostracizing yourself along the lines of those who have been banned in the past. Just like a lot of them, you didn't know when to stop.

I don't know what your poll is all about, I'm not voting one way or another if you are banned, exiled, or whatever. You took a completely fun, harmless, non political thread, and decided to ruin it for everybody, and you enjoyed doing it. I haven't seen you in awhile, that's true, and we are starting to get new posters involved. Something we never had when you were in control.
05-10-2015 , 03:33 PM
lol MV wants to use Rapini's past history and body of work against him, but as soon as you bring up MV's body of work, it's off topic. Man this guy sure likes to pick and choose.


Maybe he does deserve the exile.
05-10-2015 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
I don't have any evidence, I was not part of the private messages, or did not see all of the stuff you were doing. But I did start to see you posting over in the casino side with pictures, comments, stuff that was totally irrelevant.
I have posted the two pictures that I am aware of that were moderated from the casino side. One was showing my approval of another posters comment, and one was in relation to my argument on the ethics side to see how those saying their moral compass prevented them from delaying to win a high hand would feel if that high hand was worth $1 million instead of $500.

I don't recall any other posts in the ethics thread of mine being "totally irrelevant" but please correct me if I'm missing something. I believe I responded and argued my side in that thread, rather than acted the troll.

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My first thought was what a big fool you are making of yourself. You are doing that again by ostracizing yourself along the lines of those who have been banned in the past. Just like a lot of them, you didn't know when to stop.
I can't disagree that I can be stubborn and dig my heels in, but didn't know when to stop what? Taking the side of an argument that some other posters disliked? I wasn't alone in that thread in taking the side I did regarding the ethics of delaying to qualify for a promo, but it seemed pretty clear my stance on it was separate from how Rapini saw the situation.

My entire post was deleted when I brought up the argument of those from the moral side of the coin, would they delay 30 seconds, 10 seconds, what if the prize was greater than $500, what if it was 10K, 100K, 1 million? Because I added a picture to that post, my entire argument was just deleted, rather than just remove the image. Seems like overmoderation imo, and from a mod who took the opposite view as myself in that thread, so somewhat biased as well to just delete an argument that might present a quandary to some of those claiming the ethical high ground.

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I don't know what your poll is all about, I'm not voting one way or another if you are banned, exiled, or whatever. You took a completely fun, harmless, non political thread, and decided to ruin it for everybody, and you enjoyed doing it. I haven't seen you in awhile, that's true, and we are starting to get new posters involved. Something we never had when you were in control.
Uh.......are you talking about the clash of clans thread again? If so, how was I "in control"?

Also, I still maintain it was the Poker Degens who initiated the trolling and flaming in that thread, and I eventually grew tired of it and trolled and flamed right back.

Are you saying it's ok for your mob mentality (who has attempted to "own" that clash of clans thread many times in the past) to bash on anyone who doesn't wish to join their clan, but not to suffer the same criticisms in return?

And furthermore, the Aids in that thread was months and months ago, and had died off, certainly from my own posts in that thread when interacting with the Degens. If you treat me with respect, I give it back. If you're an ******* to me, I give that back too.


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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
lol MV wants to use Rapini's past history and body of work against him, but as soon as you bring up MV's body of work, it's off topic. Man this guy sure likes to pick and choose.


Maybe he does deserve the exile.
Rapini's past history is in direct relation to this OP and his moderation of the specific forum in question.

My history in the clash of clans thread, while not 100% irrelevant, is certainly significantly less relevant because:

1. I have one infraction from December of last year from Mike Haven regarding troll posts being unacceptable. I believe it's from the Clash of Clans thread. I have no further infractions received since that time anywhere else, until this issue with Rapini

2. My exile from B&M, to my knowledge, had nothing to do with the war of words that took place months and months ago in the Clash of Clans thread. Rapini wasn't involved in those discussions and to my knowledge wasn't even aware of them.

3. My exile from B&M was, to my knowledge, based specifically on posts within the B&M forum that were moderated vaguely and the punishment (a full exile from B&M) does not fit the crime (hotlinking two images). I was already temp-banned for multiple days from 2+2 entirely already.

4. This thread has already resulted in a new B&M moderator being appointed and a new system requiring consensus from moderators of B&M before posters can be banned. I believe that should show my case to be let back in to B&M has some merit.
05-10-2015 , 05:23 PM
seriously tho you should learn how to rehost images properly, cause that rule isn't just arbitrary, it sometimes ****s up threads for real
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