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03-21-2012 , 08:16 PM
Daniel got the infraction. he called

then he knew they had the nuts. he called it.

"This will probably get me infracted. you have the banhammer? do you? I know you do?"

"Meh, I got to see it. Ok i call"

standard Negreanu.

Awesome reads, can't fold
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03-21-2012 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Daniel got the infraction. he called

then he knew they had the nuts. he called it.

"This will probably get me infracted. you have the banhammer? do you? I know you do?"

"Meh, I got to see it. Ok i call"

standard Negreanu.

Awesome reads, can't fold
LOL awesome post
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03-21-2012 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ShizzMoney
All Daniel has to do is give them a cut of the lseries cash and *presto*, he'll be allowed to talk about it.

This place is becoming like an MSM outlet.
Or if he promised a % to the Gary Johnson campaign.
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03-21-2012 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
ITT people grossly overstate DN's value as a poster anyway. Any suggestion that 2p2 should make an exception for him because of whatever imaginary value he ads is out to lunch.
That's pretty harsh and unwarranted. While I completely support 2+2 for their decision (as evidenced by my posts) I think your need to rethink such a foolhardy statement.

There's no question that he brings value to 2+2 just as many posters do. If you're pissed off at some of the silly statements being posted ITT then go after them not someone that's a net positive to the forums.

Last edited by caseycjc; 03-21-2012 at 09:07 PM. Reason: removed Bobo from the post based on his info below
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03-21-2012 , 09:02 PM
Just to be clear, I wasn't involved in this decision - I was just trying to clear up some pretty big misconceptions.
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03-21-2012 , 09:07 PM
Bobo - is like the Godfather of 2+2.

He don't actually do the whacking's - he just needs to nod his head and the banhammer comes down.

Like Chuck Norris only cooler.

Plausible denialability....ftw

Last edited by DiggertheDog; 03-21-2012 at 09:10 PM. Reason: bobo prolly was not involved in making this banning..or was he?
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03-21-2012 , 09:08 PM
So Negreanu isn't actually involved in iseries in any way? He was just letting people know about it? If this is true I don't see the problem.
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03-21-2012 , 09:16 PM
He's in it.
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03-21-2012 , 09:17 PM
Free DN.
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03-21-2012 , 09:19 PM
Make DanielNegreanu visible in 2012.
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03-21-2012 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Omar Comin
He's in it.
So is it something he created? Or is he just going to be a participant in it one time... I mean I played in the Main Event... can I not talk about it because ESPN isn't payin 2p2?
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03-21-2012 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by stewball
So Negreanu isn't actually involved in iseries in any way? He was just letting people know about it? If this is true I don't see the problem.
Not only is he involved and in it, he gets a % of any bets wagered on himself and in his VLOG he tells people to bet on him at 10/1 to be first out.
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03-21-2012 , 09:36 PM
Congrats 2+2, you just ostracized another high profile pro.

His own words from fullcontactpoker, http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...post&p=3543552

"Their decision to ban me and pull the threads is simply a shakedown. They are hoping that they can squeeze a few bucks out of the Iseries to put up banners, and completely overestimating their importance in the poker world, which isn't new for them. "

Well Played 2+2, bed crapping at its best. Micon would be proud.
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03-21-2012 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by zomg
Not only is he involved and in it, he gets a % of any bets wagered on himself and in his VLOG he tells people to bet on him at 10/1 to be first out.
ahh i see
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03-21-2012 , 09:45 PM
That's just flatly dishonest of him to say. Asking him to follow the same policy as everybody else is not a shakedown.
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03-21-2012 , 09:48 PM
Wow some scathing remarks from Danny boy in that post:

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I mean CLEARLY they are completely out of touch with how social media works today, as well as the current poker landscape. Twitter, FaceBook, and YouTube are FREE avenues to promote and advertise and they are also 1000% more effective than spending money on forum advertising... to a market that you can NOT profit from!
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This event is going to happen, and poker fans are going to want to talk about it. 2+2 has taken a North Korean like approach to it by censoring what posters are allowed to discuss on the forum.
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They haven't been able to survive off poker for a very long time so I guess they have to protect their only source of survival. Mason is also pretty much a nutcase lol.
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03-21-2012 , 09:49 PM
Perhaps he isn't aware that the other iSeries thread was restored last night. Just like all the other sites he mentioned that don't advertise with us, we don't have an issue with iSeries threads in and of themselves. The issue was someone who is believed to have a financial interest in the business starting a thread and posting videos about it. And if he does have a financial interest in it, I notice he doesn't mention that anywhere in his post.

As for his suggestions that we aren't a viable market for iSeries...um, what? If 90% of our traffic came from the US, even 10% of ~30 million pageviews per month is pretty significant. However, he's miles out with his assumptions - more than 50% of our pageviews come from outside the US.

And to be clear, I have no issue with Daniel, and I'm not trying to turn this into some kind of fight - just clearing up what I think were a few errors/bad assumptions in his post.

Last edited by Bobo Fett; 03-21-2012 at 09:55 PM.
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03-21-2012 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by BASaint
its good for 2+2s image to be associated with legitimate poker superstars
So I guess losing DN doesn't matter then.
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03-21-2012 , 09:53 PM
On the bright side, I had no idea what this Iseries stuff was, but this controversy in ATF, made me google it. So I am now informed.
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03-21-2012 , 09:55 PM
i was hoping this thing was just a joke. i guess not. what a misguided decision. there had to be a better (that is, more professional) way to handle this situation. i am not saying DN did nothing wrong, but to ban him for day??? that's just lol. were other options even discussed? couldn't gobbo have called him or something?

penny wise and pound foolish. well played.
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03-21-2012 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dealace1
Congrats 2+2, you just ostracized another high profile pro.

His own words from fullcontactpoker, http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poke...post&p=3543552

"Their decision to ban me and pull the threads is simply a shakedown. They are hoping that they can squeeze a few bucks out of the Iseries to put up banners, and completely overestimating their importance in the poker world, which isn't new for them. "

Well Played 2+2, bed crapping at its best. Micon would be proud.
great post by him and 100% agree.

Just curious, do the admins agree with this banning? Do they know?
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03-21-2012 , 09:59 PM
Part of DN's response about his banning

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90% of the posters on that forum are US, so they are NOT even a viable market at all! They can't even bet on it.

Let's not even get into the fact that high profile posters contributing to their forums helps drive traffic which makes them $$$. This event is going to happen, and poker fans are going to want to talk about it. 2+2 has taken a North Korean like approach to it by censoring what posters are allowed to discuss on the forum. There have been TONS of threads in the past where people discuss who they think will win, what the odds are, etc.

Clearly, and I mean CLEARLY they are completely out of touch with how social media works today, as well as the current poker landscape. Twitter, FaceBook, and YouTube are FREE avenues to promote and advertise and they are also 1000% more effective than spending money on forum advertising... to a market that you can NOT profit from! Iseries for US residents is simply an opportunity to watch LIVE poker, with holecards, on the web... FOR FREE. NO PROFIT.
So since in his estimation that 90% of the posters on 2+2 are from the US we're not worth advertising to anyway.(since he makes money on the bets that are made)

Translation, ROW can bet on it so we may advertise but not on 2+2 since it's not a great market for this endeavor. So I'll just break their TOS and spam my new pet project since I'm a high profiled poster and bring money to 2+2.

Standard DN sense of entitlement.

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03-21-2012 , 10:06 PM
I can't help but sense a ton or arrogance from a lot of the 2p2 mods. Not all of them.. Bobo has been informative and helpful... but by the way some of them act it's not surprising that the would hand out this temp ban
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03-21-2012 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I'll try one last time to debunk the "but he posted it in the Official DN vblog thread" silliness.

1) I believe the thread was meant to contain everyone's posts about and links to DN's vblog. That doesn't change the rules WRT posting links to your own site. But that isn't the primary issue here, so please don't get hung up on this and avoid my next two points. FWIW, DN posting a link to a completely non-commercial video of his might have been allowed, but I'm not sure - that would usually be left to NVG mods to decide.

2) The video starts with 6+ minutes promoting a site. The way some of you are posting about this, it's like anything should be allowed because it's the "Official DN vblog thread". What if DN started posting 30 minute infomercials for Shamwow? Should those be allowed as long as he posts them in that thread? And of course I'm not suggesting that his video was anything remotely close to a 30 minute infomercial. The point I'm making is that there is a line between what can and can't be posted; it's not "anything goes".

3) DN posted the video in two threads, not just the vblog thread.
The silliness is really DN getting banned for posting a Vlog in a moderator approved thread that he had been posting his vlogs in for the past 3 weeks.

1) Whether DN is talking about a PokerStars event, the WSOP or some other tournament he is involved with, he is, to some degree, promoting some commercial endeavor he is involved with. That's the nature of the beast. If he is only allowed to speak of non-commercial topics he might as well be permanently banned.

2) People keep making a big deal about the fact that Daniel spoke for several minutes about his latest venture but if you watched the video it's easy to see why. The concept is completely different from anything else out there so he took a few minutes to explain it and also explain his world view of where poker is at today, something he often does. Since I don't gamble outside of poker games, I'm not the least bit interested in the event. But it was simply informational, spoken with the same exuberance with which he speaks of everything, including the "Three Squares" charity event that he spent almost as much time describing.

3) OMG two threads? Well then he should be shot.

And the idea that this is just a 1 day ban so it's not a big deal is ludicrous. Do you folks really think that he is coming back after this slap in the face? This is a loss for 2+2 and for the members of 2+2. This is not a loss to DN.
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03-21-2012 , 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
The silliness is really DN getting banned for posting a Vlog in a moderator approved thread that he had been posting his vlogs in for the past 3 weeks.
I don't think he posted a link to his videos in the containment thread until this time.
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