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Old 03-21-2012, 09:14 AM   #26
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

both hilarious and completely deserved. He's a nice guy but not above the rules
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:18 AM   #27
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

Hilarious bed crapping going on here. A mod changes the name of an existing thread to be an Official Daniel vlog thread and then Daniel posts his latest vlog and gets infracted/banned because of its content.

How much traffic does Daniel drive to this site? He references it in interviews and blogs etc. Does he ask to be paid for that? Look at the views in the threads he has participated in. He might as well stop participating here at all and stop mentioning 2+2 ever. Bed crapping only Micon could best.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:33 AM   #28
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Hilarious bed crapping going on here. A mod changes the name of an existing thread to be an Official Daniel vlog thread and then Daniel posts his latest vlog and gets infracted/banned because of its content.

How much traffic does Daniel drive to this site? He references it in interviews and blogs etc. Does he ask to be paid for that? Look at the views in the threads he has participated in. He might as well stop participating here at all and stop mentioning 2+2 ever. Bed crapping only Micon could best.
I was leaning on the side of twoplustwo before this post.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:44 AM   #29
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

I would add my thoughts to this conversation, but in the spirit of the concept of free speech, I would probably get perma banned.

Ah, what the hell. I love Americans. <Sarcasm icon inserted here.>
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:46 AM   #30
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2+2 banned Daniel for that? really? I mean REALLY?

^^ this
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:49 AM   #31
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

Perhaps Daniel will adopt the Paul Phillips stance. He stated if he was ever banned, he would never post again reasoning that 2+2 needed him more than he needed them.

Paul was banned for something totally ridiculous althought I can't recall for what . 2+2 /Mat made some weak attempt to attempt to reverse the ban by allowing posters to vote on a reverse. No use since Paul never posted here again.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:55 AM   #32
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2+2 banned Daniel for that? really? I mean REALLY?
Christ, people, relax. It's a one day ban.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:59 AM   #33
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Perhaps Daniel will adopt the Paul Phillips stance. He stated if he was ever banned, he would never post again reasoning that 2+2 needed him more than he needed them.

Paul was banned for something totally ridiculous althought I can't recall for what . 2+2 /Mat made some weak attempt to attempt to reverse the ban by allowing posters to vote on a reverse. No use since Paul never posted here again.
had to google who Paul Phillips was so it obviously didn't work out too well for him
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:21 AM   #34
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had to google who Paul Phillips was so it obviously didn't work out too well for him
Lol noob
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:32 AM   #35
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Christ, people, relax. It's a one day ban.
It's not the length of the ban that's the issue, it's the fact that it's totally unjustified. As someone above has said, he mentions 2+2 a few times etc and doesn't ask to be paid for it. It's quite embarrassing for him to have been banned from here just for having the audacity to post a link to his Vlog in a thread that a moderator of this site changed the title to "official DN Vlog thread".
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:22 AM   #36
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had to google who Paul Phillips was so it obviously didn't work out too well for him
Paul Philips is like Phil Gordon, only Paul Philips.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:48 AM   #37
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It's not the length of the ban that's the issue, it's the fact that it's totally unjustified. As someone above has said, he mentions 2+2 a few times etc and doesn't ask to be paid for it. It's quite embarrassing for him to have been banned from here just for having the audacity to post a link to his Vlog in a thread that a moderator of this site changed the title to "official DN Vlog thread".
so true
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:06 PM   #38
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In after tempban of one of the biggest names in poker for the past ten years.

Ouch.

This could have been handled differently by both sides imho. I do agree DN does mention 2+2 quite a bit. AND he actually posts here regularly. Thats gotta be worth something. Both parties are at fault imo.

Hope we all can kiss and make up because Daniel Negraneau is no Paul Phillips.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:34 PM   #39
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

LOL temp-ban the only person with any connection to high stakes live poker who regularly contributes over something he probably didn't even realise was not allowed.

In a thread which is titled 'daniels video blog thread'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would a simple mod edit not have been more appropriate telling him not to self post his links as it's in breach of the rules.

This makes 2+2 look terrible and says more about the mods on this forum than any attempt Daniel could make at self promotion.

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Old 03-21-2012, 12:44 PM   #40
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LOL temp-ban the only person with any connection to high stakes live poker who regularly contributes over something he probably didn't even realise was not allowed.

In a thread which is titled 'daniels video blog thread'!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would a simple mod edit not have been more appropriate telling him not to self post his links as it's in breach of the rules.

This makes 2+2 look terrible and says more about the mods on this forum than any attempt Daniel could make at self promotion.

NH WP
He was warned, infracted, offered the opportunity to formally advertise and was well aware that the two threads on the topic were already previously closed. He clearly has a financial interest in the project, he's a millionaire, just advertise and let's talk about it. The guys at DraftDay obliged and that's why there's still an active conversation on their website.

Plus, at the very least let someone else post his infommerical so that he's not under the gun.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:49 PM   #41
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He's coming after 2+2 in next week's vlog.

@Kevmath they also have given me plenty of material for next week's with the ban. You can talk Epic, WPT, NBCHU, Etc but not @iserieslive?
I have to believe that this decision came from the top of the food chain, No way Kevmath or the other regular mods like Sarge did the banning. Shrug. To avoid being banhammered myself I will keep my thoughts to myself on how inappropriate I felt the banning was, I mean to ban Danny Negreanu is pretty serious stuff. (even if its a temp ban which is what it appears to be)
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:57 PM   #42
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

What a ****ing joke.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:12 PM   #43
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He clearly has a financial interest in the project, he's a millionaire, just advertise and let's talk about it. The guys at DraftDay obliged and that's why there's still an active conversation on their website.
If he needs to pay to advertise these , or at least for them to be linked to the forum then
WHY THE HELL IS THERE AN OFFICIAL THREAD DEVOTED TO HIS VBLOG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
just delete the thread in the first place and maybe there wouldn't be any confusion......................................... .....................
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #44
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Yeah that's clearly a joke - i seriously doubt Daniel realised he was breaking any rules. But sure go ahead and ban (regardless for how long) one of the only huge names in the poker world who actually contributes to this community.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:13 PM   #45
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I have to believe that this decision came from the top of the food chain, No way Kevmath or the other regular mods like Sarge did the banning. Shrug. To avoid being banhammered myself I will keep my thoughts to myself on how inappropriate I felt the banning was, I mean to ban Danny Negreanu is pretty serious stuff. (even if its a temp ban which is what it appears to be)
Has to be a case of small man's disease. Nothing else explains it.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:22 PM   #46
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If he needs to pay to advertise these , or at least for them to be linked to the forum then
WHY THE HELL IS THERE AN OFFICIAL THREAD DEVOTED TO HIS VBLOG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
just delete the thread in the first place and maybe there wouldn't be any confusion......................................... .....................
You seem to be mistaken about the reason for the temp ban. AFAIK, it wasn't because he linked his vlog - Bobo Fett specifically stated that had that been all that was done, it probably wouldn't have resulted in anything, let alone a temp ban.

The reason for the temp ban was because the vlog contains a plug for the iSeries, which DN already attempted to plug in NVG and was warned not to do so. 2p2 doesn't allow people to advertise for free.

Interesting that although this thread has been here for several weeks, this is the first time DN himself linked his vlog rather than another poster doing so. Maybe because this time it specifically plugs something he stands to make money off of?

He's excited about his new business venture (or whatever his involvement with iSeries is, I don't know the specifics), which is great. But he can't advertise on here for free. He was told that, but did so again (via his vlog).

If you're going to rant and rave, at least rant and rave about the correct thing.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:28 PM   #47
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Re: *** Official Daniel Negreanu video blog thread - post new videos here ***

For those still reponding with incomplete information, here it is again:
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LOL, I really hope this isn't sarcasm, because the fact that someone starts an "Official" thread for his vlog doesn't mean he can then spam his vlog.

Some of the auto-defending on here is really pretty ridiculous (talking about posts previous to lillou's), especially when you don't know all the facts. Not that you should need to; it should be obvious from the link that this was blatant spam. But here's some info that might help.

Daniel started a thread about iSeriesLive 2 days ago, for which he was infracted, as anyone would have been. 2 days later, he spams links to his vblog in two different threads, and the first 6:20 of the linked video is about iSeriesLive. For this he gets a one day tempban - such an easy call, no matter who it is.

Also, I should mention that linking to your blog or video blog, even if it has zero advertising content, generally isn't allowed on 2+2. With spam like this one had, it was a pretty easy call. This isn't some kind of personal strike at anyone; it's extremely standard policy.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:30 PM   #48
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What I can't figure out is why this was handled out in the open this way. Daniel might have been in the wrong, but it it makes no sense to embarrass him and put him on the defensive like this. If he's trying to advertise, then you should be helping him find a way to make that happen.
I have no idea why 2+2 would ban DN (well I know why but i dont think it was fair). That was a very poor decision



Risking Daniel not to post here any longer ..is just not worth it.

We all know DN doesnt need the money and isnt a shady guy so I think giving him the benefit of the doubt would have been more wise. Horrible decision but oh well life continues on.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:32 PM   #49
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You seem to be mistaken about the reason for the temp ban. AFAIK, it wasn't because he linked his vlog - Bobo Fett specifically stated that had that been all that was done, it probably wouldn't have resulted in anything, let alone a temp ban.

The reason for the temp ban was because the vlog contains a plug for the iSeries, which DN already attempted to plug in NVG and was warned not to do so. 2p2 doesn't allow people to advertise for free.

Interesting that although this thread has been here for several weeks, this is the first time DN himself linked his vlog rather than another poster doing so. Maybe because this time it specifically plugs something he stands to make money off of?

He's excited about his new business venture (or whatever his involvement with iSeries is, I don't know the specifics), which is great. But he can't advertise on here for free. He was told that, but did so again (via his vlog).

If you're going to rant and rave, at least rant and rave about the correct thing.
In a vakuum your statement rings true. In a meta-sense I see it as a bit of an own goal.

While you do succeed in upholding your principal of forbidding free advertising, you risk the chance of losing one of the very few real pokerstars who regular posts on your forum.

It's a close call, but I would have allowed it as long as he didn't abuse it more than an occasional link to his vlog.
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:43 PM   #50
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In a vakuum your statement rings true. In a meta-sense I see it as a bit of an own goal.

While you do succeed in upholding your principal of forbidding free advertising, you risk the chance of losing one of the very few real pokerstars who regular posts on your forum.

It's a close call, but I would have allowed it as long as he didn't abuse it more than an occasional link to his vlog.
I'm just explaining the stance of 2p2 on the matter - my opinion on the banning or whether or not DN should be allowed to plug iSeries has no bearing on the matter.

I think the previous poster who pointed out that DN essentially plugs 2p2 for free has a valid point.

That said, the fact that iSeries hasn't responded to 2p2's email letting them know they can advertise for the same fee as others is telling. I can understand the admins reason for their "nobody can advertise for free, no exceptions" policy.
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