Bullying a poster on 2+2?

[akyle47]

Originally Posted by raidalot

If you think he has no social skills and is a moron then I find it even harder to understand why you participate in a hate campaign against him.

Here is the apology he made on 2+2 in March:


So, he has admitted his bad ways and made a full apology 3 months ago. Isn't it time to let this go? If he does something else then obv fire up a new Mark275 thread (or post in the existing ones) but please don't contaminate threads on other topics with the hate campaign.

Reading his apology above makes me wonder whether mark has made more effort to "grow up" than the haters have?

Also, would people please take the Kevxxxx c.rap elsewhere - there is a serious point in this thread.

You still haven't looked at all his posts after the apology have you? Or how about when people have brought up in those threads that he is still being a dick to people in games or on the forum?

Seriously stop playing the hero and do some research, the guy purposely acts like a dick! And I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a **** about what people say to him

Also a "hate campaign" as you put it would mean actively seeking him out and insulting him, but once again if you done your research you would see he posts snide remarks in threads basically putting himself up for flaming

And lastly don't worry about kevmode to much, he is a world class troll and actually sets about receiving the posts he does, once again though you would know that if you actually done research before you post

[sheeprustler]

Raidalot, I think you make valid points about bullying. The personal stuff i.e commenting on his weight should go.

I do think he deserves 80% of what he gets though and if it bothers him so much all he has to do is change his sn. If you ask me he's probably a bit of a sociopath who likes the attention. I mean it would be simple for him to change his account and he doesn't

SgtRJ some of the things you've said in this thread have been fairly hypocritical. The self policing excuse doesn't really stand up when you heavily mod/over mod the threads that you take a personal interest in.

[SGT RJ]

Originally Posted by sheeprustler

Raidalot, I think you make valid points about bullying. The personal stuff i.e commenting on his weight should go.

I do think he deserves 80% of what he gets though and if it bothers him so much all he has to do is change his sn. If you ask me he's probably a bit of a sociopath who likes the attention. I mean it would be simple for him to change his account and he doesn't

SgtRJ some of the things you've said in this thread have been fairly hypocritical. The self policing excuse doesn't really stand up when you heavily mod/over mod the threads that you take a personal interest in.

In what way?

I think people think I'm much more personally invested in threads than I actually am. There have only been a handful of threads since I've been modded that I would say I've been "personally interested" in, and for the most part I don't actively mod those threads. The only example of a thread I can think of where I was personally invested and made a lot of modding decisions was the Somerville thread, and there's already been an ATF thread discussing that.

If you think there's a particular thread or situation in which the regular posters were self-policing and I somehow interfered I'd be interested to hear how you think this is so.

A lot of forums have a much more tolerant attitude towards "bullying posters" than NVG has. I clearly state that I think this is a good and a bad thing - it's often harsh and brutal, but it does often result in a type of self-policing. I'm not sure how that's contradictory with sometimes deleting or infracting in NVG. Sometimes self-policing isn't enough, or is too brutal, or is misdirected. But even in NVG, none of the mods step in when poster A posts something really dumb, and then posters B, C, and D tell them it's dumb, unless it threatens to completely derail the thread. Or unless poster D goes way beyond "that's dumb" into "that's dumb and I hope you *****."

I'm legitimately interested in having an actual discussion if you'd like, but if this is just going to turn into another bitch session with no specifics because of some vague recollection about something that got deleted three months ago, then we'd both be wasting our time.

Also, "over mod" is one opinion. I've also been told I under mod some of the worst threads. Can't please anyone, I suppose, so I'll just have to muddle through the best I can.

It was in direct response to feedback that I decided to try banishing a couple of the problematic FTP thread posters rather than infracting and infracting until they got site banned. I'm willing to try something different if it might work. But if you just think I should not delete/infract so much random crap like people posting "first" or "3.50" or calling each other "fgts", you probably won't like my response.

[sheeprustler]

Not trying to get into a bitching session- for the most part I think you're a very good mod but I do think you are a little too pedantic sometimes.

I think leaving the threatening comments in the recent Aguiar, ADZ, vpn thread would have been the better line. I don't see what benefit taking them down has as in the end it makes ADZ look worse.

I think the Sommerville thread was over modded but you had a tough job there so maybe over modding was the right line to take.

[SGT RJ]

Well, given that the threats seemed to be real (that he was actually calling him out to fight IRL), that seemed like an obvious deletion. Any real threat of violence isn't supposed to be tolerated on 2p2. It opens up the site to liability, I would imagine.

I can understand why some people would have wanted to read it, but given that I've deleted similar threats in the past and no one has ever complained, I thought it was generally known that IRL threats aren't tolerated.

And the Somerville thread was challenging to say the least. But any thread that involves a hot topic is likely to be challenging, and most of those I have no real personal investment in.

[raidalot]

Originally Posted by akyle47

You still haven't looked at all his posts after the apology have you?

I am not going to trawl through hunderds of his posts to see if every one was reasonable. But I have seen him post in many threads and haven't seen him call people fat etc and his posts all seem to relate to the topic of the thread whereas the haters posts I cited above were pure derails to have a poke at Mark.

If you think there is something wrong with his posts (and are not just bullying/hating) then why don't you challenge the content of his posts instead of making snide comments like those examples?

Show me some good examples of recent posts by Mark, equivalent to those of the haters above, where he initiates name-calls, trash-talks other posters etc. If they exist then I will give up on this (although I would still rather the mods dealt with it by stopping both mark and his haters from derailing).

[TimDwayne]

I'm really struggling to understand why you're getting on your high horse about this when the "bullying" is pretty minimal and, in some places, warranted.

[akyle47]

raidalot, you do realise saying you aren't going to trawl through posts because of something you are clearly butthurt about but then ask me to do it on a subject I couldn't give to ****s about is stupid?

Marks a dick, kevmodes a dick and always will be! Stop crying and get on with your life

[Neil S]

It's kind of impressive that kevmode has so much infamy with such a low post count.

[IamPro]

Originally Posted by TimDwayne

I'm really struggling to understand why you're getting on your high horse about this when the "bullying" is pretty minimal and, in some places, warranted.

this

Kevmode and Mark275 opened themselves to this, each in there own 'special' way lol

Wouldn't be surprised if Kevmode is Bigfish2010's or even phillipemoren's 2nd account

[raidalot]

Originally Posted by akyle47

raidalot, you do realise saying you aren't going to trawl through posts because of something you are clearly butthurt about but then ask me to do it on a subject I couldn't give to ****s about is stupid?

Marks a dick, kevmodes a dick and always will be! Stop crying and get on with your life

(1) You are the one who wanted to refer to his posting history after the apology.
(2) I gave some examples above to support what I was saying. I note that you give none. It seems that your response here is the same as you give to mark - criticise the poster rather than add value with your content.
(3) You say it is a subject you don't care two ****s about yet it seems to bother you enough to write derailing hate posts against mark and to post itt.
(4) Does everyone who disagrees with you have to be "crying", "stupid" etc?

[raidalot]

Originally Posted by TimDwayne

I'm really struggling to understand why you're getting on your high horse about this when the "bullying" is pretty minimal and, in some places, warranted.

I agree that each instance of the "bullying" is insignificant but the repetitive and persistent nature of it can be as serious as more major one-off incidents.

I didn't really intend to be on any horse. I guess some of the responses itt riled me a bit. My aim in starting the thread was to make the mods aware of the persistence of the bullying in this case. There are 3 reasons why I think it is bad:
(1) The impact on Mark himself
(2) I find it annoying that threads are derailed with zero-content posts like that
(3) If everyone sees that derailing/abusive language etc is tolerated then it will spread in the forums

imo there are some good responses itt pointing out that mark could change screen-name if he wishes. That is a good point which I hadn't thought of.

However, I don't agree with the "self-policing" line because that comes down to mods deciding who it is okay to "pile on". imho all name-calling etc should not be allowed unless it is relevant to the thread concerned.

[akyle47]

Originally Posted by raidalot

(1) You are the one who wanted to refer to his posting history after the apology.
(2) I gave some examples above to support what I was saying. I note that you give none. It seems that your response here is the same as you give to mark - criticise the poster rather than add value with your content.
(3) You say it is a subject you don't care two ****s about yet it seems to bother you enough to write derailing hate posts against mark and to post itt.
(4) Does everyone who disagrees with you have to be "crying", "stupid" etc?

1 - I don't have to go back and refer to them, I have seen them
2 - I really don't see why I have to give examples to a random poster who just decided to jump on a high horse about something that 99 percent of the form find nothing wrong with
3 - I really couldn't give a **** about how mark or kevmode feels and I'm pretty sure they feel fine anyway, also you included me in the OP, that I do care about
4 - yes

[Ce1ska]

Originally Posted by raidalot

(2) I find it annoying that threads are derailed with zero-content posts like that
(3) If everyone sees that derailing/abusive language etc is tolerated then it will spread in the forums

So much THIS! If you have a problem with mark and/or Kev send them a ****ing PM. If you insist in trolling ITT use new material, it's always the same bull**** comment.

Also, Kevmode is like a level 12 troll, reminds me of a much more subtle version of JBS(?)

[wafflehouse1]

Kevmode requested I not PM him anymore, so how do you propose I speak with him if you dont wish me replying in threads?