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Old 06-28-2012, 12:39 PM   #121
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Re: Year-long prop bet ($10 into $100,000)

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With all the time you spend posting all these updates and playing $0.02 tournaments couldn't you get a real job and deposit a real bankroll after saving up some money? Since you can afford a computer with an internet connection and know English I assume you live in a country where you can find opportunities to make more than a few cents an hour.
That was my dilemma for a long time, making at very least $10/hour at a job, I could never start up proper BR. Just took shots and went busto time after time
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:21 PM   #122
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Re: Year-long prop bet ($10 into $100,000)

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Here is my update (not going to do many of these) - see my twitter for more frequent updates:

https://twitter.com/10to00k


Currently have $1.28 and €2.34 - which is $4.18. Let me summarize a couple of things since the start of this thread.

1) I started betting for value way, WAY too early. (When I was up 20% versus my buy-in). This was inexcusable. Initially, I was happy every time I got a call - loads of thick value. But with this few buyins to work with, that wasn't good at all. I hit rock bottom soon and was clawing my way back up.

2) I thought the lowest level I could win at was $0.10. I asked here in the forum about beating hyper-turbo tourneys (where the buyin is $0.02) and got great answers! I tried a few, four I think, and placed in one, winning $0.10 - which would be a 400% ROI on my $0.02, if not for the ones I didn't place in.

What is important here is that I'm not sure I'm a winning player at that stake, but at least now I have a shot with some new techniques.

So the way I would break down my goals with the current $4.18 or so is as follows:

$2 is reserved for 100 bi's at the $0.02 hyper-turbos. I expect that I may not be a winning player (positive ROI) until doing dozens and dozens of them, even though I have now placed.

So rather than "only" reserving 60 or however many against variance, I'm reserving the rest of the hundred just because I may be a losing player.

The point is I would be protected from going busto, by playing the $0.02 tourneys until I grind out enough wins to take a shot at the $0.10 tourneys, where I'm more consistent.

That leaves $2.18, which is 21 bi's at the $0.10 tourneys. However, I don't think I need that many to have a positive ROI, as I do quite well in them.

So, I am reserving $1.00 for ten $0.10 bi's. It's possible I would drop all ten (lose a net ten and be down to $2) - that would mean I have to move down to the $0.02 tourneys as outlined above.

Of course, I would be quite motivated to win the $0.10 tourneys as grinding out $0.02 tourneys is a nightmare. It's my final cushion.

Finally, that leaves $1.18 for me to currently work with: a single buyin at $1.

This is what I was speaking about earlier in terms of "taking a shot".

The above three steps are EXACTLY what I would be doing at a higher level as well. Optimistically moving up. (The difference here is that I expect I'm already "really" a winner at $1 bi.)

Also, $1 is, obviously, ten times as much as $0.10 and one is a tourney one is cash, so it's not fully reflective of my stepping-up program.

How do you work with a SINGLE buy-in?

Well, I have a few tricks for this as well. This might also transfer to taking shot at much higher stakes if I manage to successfully grind my way up.

The main points boil down to:

-> Reduce. Variance.

How do you do that? By leaving value behind, for one thing. For another, by investing more energy into variance-reducing activities, such as....reading hands.

Obviously if all of your opponents are playing with their hands face-up (though they don't know this) then you could have close to 0 variance. A single buy-in, if you refuse to go all-in with less than the nuts, could easily be turned into larger winnings.

I will let you know with more updates on how this is going.

Twitter: https://twitter.com/10to00k

Highlight: Learning how to beat $0.02 hyper-turbos by asking here.

Lowlight: Starting to value-bet with less than 15 bi's.

Stepping-up/stepping-down program:
< $2 remaining (up to $2.10). Do nothing but $0.02 tourneys ($2 = 100 bi's) until having at least $2.10

At least $2.10 (up to $3): grind out $0.10 tourneys until I have another $1 for another swing at $1 bi.

At least $3 (current situation): take another swing at $1 bi with variance-reducing ploys; also rathole winnings. (e.g. if my stack size reaches $1.60, leave and enter another room with $1).

Many many variance-reducing ploys go here.

Bankroll management in practice - yes, you can do it even with $4.10
Im sure once you can beat the 2c turbos you will fly up the limits and be well on the way to your 100k.
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:38 PM   #123
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Re: Year-long prop bet ($10 into $100,000)

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That was my dilemma for a long time, making at very least $10/hour at a job, I could never start up proper BR. Just took shots and went busto time after time
Put whatever you make from that job aside and I will bet you 20:1 for that money that you won't get your bankroll to 100k. You can keep all your poker money online at all time (but not deposit obviously).
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:54 PM   #124
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Put whatever you make from that job aside and I will bet you 20:1 for that money that you won't get your bankroll to 100k. You can keep all your poker money online at all time (but not deposit obviously).
Dude, that's kind of the point of this whole thread... It's a challenge
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Old 06-28-2012, 01:58 PM   #125
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Put whatever you make from that job aside and I will bet you 20:1 for that money that you won't get your bankroll to 100k. You can keep all your poker money online at all time (but not deposit obviously).
I didn't play online since Friday. However I jumped into LIVE since Casino was built over a year ago 20 minutes from me. Did about 80 hours in 1/2 NL ran 400 into 1800 and took a shot at 2/5 NL one night and never back to 1/2 NL since then....

Started recording only when hit 2/5 NL
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Going for 100k to pay off college loans , got a year to go till graduation.
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Old 06-28-2012, 04:55 PM   #126
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This guy has a 400% ROI if you don't count the tourneys he doesn't cash in. Pretty sure he's gonna make it to $100K.
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:20 PM   #127
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OP Not even Ivey could beat those 2c games on stars. They are not poker so dont even try and learn the game there. I suggest you deposit 50 and try and build that up playing cash. Plo preferably as there is not much variance there. GL
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Old 06-28-2012, 05:49 PM   #128
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You've got some good one liners OP keep the level rolling. I've chuckled 2-3 times already.
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Old 06-28-2012, 06:19 PM   #129
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lol gl.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:09 AM   #130
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Re: Year-long prop bet ($10 into $100,000)

Post hands OP. I would love to help .
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:31 AM   #131
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Re: Year-long prop bet ($10 into $100,000)

He's updating his twitter alot
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:40 AM   #132
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1) I started betting for value way, WAY too early. (When I was up 20% versus my buy-in). This was inexcusable. Initially, I was happy every time I got a call - loads of thick value. But with this few buyins to work with, that wasn't good at all. I hit rock bottom soon and was clawing my way back up.
Do you even know what value betting is?
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:46 AM   #133
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He's updating his twitter alot
Just read .
Confirmed OP is serious.

OP you seem like you are struggling. usually strategy is not allowed in BBV, but since you are putting in so much effort, mods may make a concession in this case.

Please update twitter with a lil personal stuff too.. will help your followers (3) understand you better.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:47 AM   #134
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Do you even know what value betting is?
shhhhh. Too much money on the line.
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Old 06-29-2012, 09:48 AM   #135
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inb4 someone sends him $50 and he brags about having 2500 buy ins for $0.02 hypers
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