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02-04-2012, 03:59 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 32
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What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
I have been stuck at 2nl for 3 months now since my profit never seems to be greater than my losses from the bad beats and coolers alone. Over the past few days I have averaged -11 Buy ins per day off of bad beats and coolers alone, although normally, I would say it is at least -5 Buy ins per day off of the beats and coolers. The losses from the bad beats and coolers are the VAST majority of my losses.
Some days are great with no bad beats or coolers whatsoever.
Other days go good, only to get hours of profit undone in 15 minutes of a complete tidal wave of bad beats and coolers.
And other days are just straight bad beats and coolers non-stop right from the get go.
It is beyond frustrating, and I really had to resist the urge to post something like this over the past three months since I know that everyone goes through it. But after three months of this, I am still not able to beat 2nl due to all these beats and coolers leaving me where I started.
I have read many of the uNL strategy threads and follow them consistently; tight-ass preflop starting hand selection, no slowplaying, no double barrels, bet strong with strong hands on all streets. Despite this, it is not enough for me to profit consistently enough to beat 2nl, once you factor all the losses from the badbeats and coolers.
I am obviously doing something wrong here, but I guess I just don't know where to start. I guess I would just like to get everyone's opinion on this, since I am frustrated and depressed beyond words by all this, especially after being stuck at 2nl for 3 months.
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02-04-2012, 04:00 PM
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adept
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,187
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
tell me you played over 20K hands please
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02-04-2012, 04:03 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 554
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
Post some hands please to show us what your definition of coolers and bad beats is, I need a good laugh.
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02-04-2012, 04:10 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 848
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
If you cant beat 2NL surely it isnt the coolers holding you back
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02-04-2012, 04:18 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 32
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
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Originally Posted by Kingdom Hearts
tell me you played over 20K hands please
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50.8k hands since Nov 14
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Originally Posted by KJoff
Post some hands please to show us what your definition of coolers and bad beats is, I need a good laugh.
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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11787692
MP2: $2.33 (116.5 bb)
MP3: $6.47 (323.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $2.10 (105 bb)
SB: $5.59 (279.5 bb)
BB: $1.29 (64.5 bb)
UTG+1: $4.44 (222 bb)
UTG+2: $3.12 (156 bb)
Hero (MP1): $3.75 (187.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A  A 
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, 3 folds, BTN calls $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05
Flop: ($0.28) 9  2  8 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.21, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.42, BB folds, Hero calls $0.21
Turn: ($1.12) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.08, SB raises to $2.16, Hero raises to $3.26 and is all-in, SB calls $1.10
River: ($7.64) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $7.64 pot ($0.27 rake)
Final Board: 9  2  8  7  8
SB showed 9  9  and won $7.37 ($3.62 net)
Hero mucked A  A  and lost (-$3.75 net)
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11787702
MP3: $2.19 (109.5 bb)
CO: $1.94 (97 bb)
BTN: $2.08 (104 bb)
SB: $0.78 (39 bb)
BB: $0.88 (44 bb)
UTG+1: $1.16 (58 bb)
UTG+2: $1.28 (64 bb)
MP1: $1.96 (98 bb)
Hero (MP2): $4.08 (204 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A  K
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.06, MP1 folds, Hero calls $0.06, MP3 calls $0.06, 4 folds
Flop: ($0.21) 2  K  T (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.16, MP3 calls $0.16, UTG+2 folds
Turn: ($0.53) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.45, MP3 calls $0.45
River: ($1.43) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.52 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.52
Results: $4.47 pot ($0.16 rake)
Final Board: 2  K  T  7  6
MP3 showed T  6  and won $4.31 ($2.12 net)
Hero mucked A  K  and lost (-$2.19 net)
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11787722
SB: $0.98 (49 bb)
BB: $2.88 (144 bb)
UTG+1: $2.04 (102 bb)
UTG+2: $0.80 (40 bb)
MP1: $2.70 (135 bb)
MP2: $5.50 (275 bb)
MP3: $0.81 (40.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $4.48 (224 bb)
BTN: $1.01 (50.5 bb)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A  A
UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 raises to $0.04, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $0.04, MP3 folds, Hero raises to $0.16, 3 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.12, MP2 calls $0.12
Flop: ($0.51) 7  8  T (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $0.40, UTG+2 raises to $0.64 and is all-in, MP2 raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $4.32 and is all-in, MP2 calls $3.12
Turn: ($9.79) K (3 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($9.79) Q (3 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $9.79 pot ($0.30 rake)
Final Board: 7  8  T  K  Q
UTG+2 mucked J  J  and lost (-$0.80 net)
MP2 showed 7  7  and won $9.49 ($5.01 net)
Hero mucked A  A  and lost (-$4.48 net)
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02-04-2012, 04:22 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 32
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
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Originally Posted by mdroz247
If you cant beat 2NL surely it isnt the coolers holding you back
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Then I must be missing value in a lot of spots. Like when I raise big pairs PF and pick up the blinds 90% of the time. Is it ever correct to slowplay big hands, other than when you have (essentially) the stone nuts on the flop? Should I start check/raising toptop on a 2-tone flop OOP against a 30/20 with a 40% bet flop percentage?
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02-04-2012, 04:26 PM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,118
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
If you're losing after 50k hands of nl2 you seriously need to give up poker. No chance of ever being successful.
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02-04-2012, 04:26 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
move up to where they respect your raises.
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02-04-2012, 04:28 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: down there
Posts: 3,391
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
fold a lot more u fish
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02-04-2012, 04:29 PM
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#10
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 50
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
In 2nl unless you have 3 pairs your hand is no good
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02-04-2012, 04:47 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Warsaw
Posts: 572
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
Learn to fold and pot control.
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02-04-2012, 04:49 PM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,118
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
Guys, he has played 50k hands..some people just dont have the mental capacity to win at poker
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02-04-2012, 04:53 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Germany
Posts: 554
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
Those are not bad beats because you put the vast majority of your money in when behind.
They are not coolers either because all you have is one pair every time.
Seriously, how the **** can you think in any of the 3 hands that you are in front when putting the money in the way the betting went?
I think the sad truth is that you are a Level1-thinker.
You see your hand and think "ZOMG I haz aces" or "ZOMG I haz toppest pair".
You pay no attention to what the others players are telling you what their likely holdings are.
You pay no attention to the developing texture of the board and what it means to the relative strenght of your hand compared to the holdings of your opponents.
And now you think about slowplaying your big hands to get a chance to misplay your hands postflop even more often as a solution?
Your postflop-play is beyond horrible dude, if I was you I would stay away from the tables and study long and hard (there is enough free stuff out there) and don't come back before you fixed that leak. Everywhere other than the playmoneytables you will get slaughtered with that style, even at 2NL.
If this is a level wp sir. If not I feel slightly sorry for you.
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02-04-2012, 05:05 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 446
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
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Originally Posted by KJoff
Those are not bad beats because you put the vast majority of your money in when behind.
They are not coolers either because all you have is one pair every time.
Seriously, how the **** can you think in any of the 3 hands that you are in front when putting the money in the way the betting went?
I think the sad truth is that you are a Level1-thinker.
You see your hand and think "ZOMG I haz aces" or "ZOMG I haz toppest pair".
You pay no attention to what the others players are telling you what their likely holdings are.
You pay no attention to the developing texture of the board and what it means to the relative strenght of your hand compared to the holdings of your opponents.
And now you think about slowplaying your big hands to get a chance to misplay your hands postflop even more often as a solution?
Your postflop-play is beyond horrible dude, if I was you I would stay away from the tables and study long and hard (there is enough free stuff out there) and don't come back before you fixed that leak. Everywhere other than the playmoneytables you will get slaughtered with that style, even at 2NL.
If this is a level wp sir. If not I feel slightly sorry for you.
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No strategy in BBV.
But seriously, good teardown. OP, if it's not a level (in which case I feel quite sorry for you too), post these hands in the Micro FR section, and you'll get some good analysis.
In reality, the micros are absoloute agony. If you aren't killed by the rake, you'll get smashed by opponents who, instead of knowing that they've got good equity against your likely holdings, will just put money in to get lucky against you.
Your foundations seem reasonably on the ball, maybe you should move up to where they respect your raises? (Not tired meme sentence, I actually mean it)
My advice for you would be to shortstack, and put more BB in pre - it would probably save you from your own postflop play. GL
Last edited by you must e; 02-04-2012 at 05:16 PM.
Reason: More strat
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02-04-2012, 05:12 PM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 84
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Re: What is your average loss from badbeats/coolers per day?
expected more trolling here? Disappointing.
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