Basically (now sober) my point was if Poker is winnable (it is), and the all the information (save some coaching) to learn is out there for free, why is it taken as fact if you cant grind grind your way up you have no shot to play for a living? Why not put the money into lessons and playing normal non micro MTT's that at least pay for a dinner for 2 when you win one? Why is it assumed I want some quick lottery win with this method? Its not like I want to depo 5K and play 25 200's and hope to win, I still want to grind full time but for a change I want a chance to win a 1K+ score...I didnt think it was such a completely unreasonable question....

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[] the fool who looks at it, decides he cant read 500 words all at once, and actually comment on deciding not to read it

wow you upped your post count! You the dog! +1 lmao! I should know better than to post a question on 2+2 that I actually want an opinion on.

Lol at trying to justify your shot taking.

This is the root of my question..why is it a shot? I think the 'shots' I took were when me, like everyone, put money online to learn the game in the first place. But I can see I will not get any logical answer.

Don't play drunk! I have also played after I took shots, it didnt go very well.

+1, +1

Yeah obviously dont play drunk, which I dont do. And I also took shots over the years grossly under rolled and they didnt work out, like most people I am sure.

"I think the 'shots' I took were when me, like everyone, put money online"

Not everyone has deposited that plays, I know numerous people that built there roll from a freeroll win.

"And I also took shots over the years grossly under rolled and they didnt work out, like most people I am sure."

Just because you constantly take shots doesn't mean you can be sure everyone else has no self control.

>not at all what I meant, which was that anyone back in 03 putting money on one of the 1st poker sites and not being already a successful player with a roll was in a sense taking a shot.
>How do you figure I constantly took shots? Maybe 5 times I bought into a tournament I should not have, or a stake I should not have in a decade. >Never said nobody else has self control, never said **** about self control actually,but there were a ****load more fish in 03 than today...
>the freeroll to riches story is too stupid to even comment on. That situation accounts for what? .0001% of success stories? I would love a link about anyone who has done this .......

http://pokerworks.com/poker-strategy...ilt-poker.html

"Never said nobody else has self control, never said **** about self control actually"

Actaully you said you are sure most people take shots, people that have self control don't take shots. Not my fault you lack self control, but don't act like everyone is a degen like you.

Your just to Fn stupid to even talk to. Ok. Every person who ever put money online regardless of skill was not taking a shot. WTF would you call it? A Gamble? I played happily within my bounds since I began jerkoff and if you think I am a degen because a couple times a year I played an ill advised trny you need to read some real degen stories...your taking every word I say out of context to the extreme just a bit. Again the whole post was about essentially staking ones self, putting the money aside to play a bit more serious poker. Obviously a lot of players capable of winning get staked to play higher/more games and make decent money..no? Well why did they even get staked if they cant grind what they need? I have proven to myself I can win regularly, which is all that matters, and now I have an opportunity to really play, but there is no PStars anymore where I can just grind SNG's all day, far less volume and money to win. I think my time is best served by taking some money and giving myself a real opportunity to produce positive results. Never mind the post was not even about myself per say but about the situation of investing in ones play.....I would assume millionaires who play poker dont play 1/2 limit games as any money they win is insignificant to them, well I have played for 10 years and was ecstatic when I got my $200 cash out checks. It was alot of money back then. Now with a successful business outside of poker that maintains my standard of living I can play a bit higher than I ever could before and have the time to do so. I cannot believe only one logical reply even if I did write the post horribly.

One could ask you the same