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11-29-2005, 07:27 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...
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11-29-2005, 07:30 PM
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#17
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...
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The picture isn't working, please fix it.
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11-29-2005, 07:32 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...
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You're an idiot. You clearly don't understand meta-game concepts like the ones described by my thread. OMG I HAVE LIKE 1600 POSTS AND YOU HAVE 70, STFU NOOB.
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11-29-2005, 07:34 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...
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I was about to ask the same thing... I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
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If you can't understand the simple math in this thread then you should definitely cry, and go back to first grade. People with less than 50 posts shouldn't be allowed to post, theyr'e always so dumb.
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11-29-2005, 07:43 PM
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banned
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com
UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A  , A  .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.
Flop: (t15255) Q  , 7  , Q (3 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t15255
Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.
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11-29-2005, 07:48 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2004
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
This would be much better if CO had the 4d instead. He is a real man of genius.
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11-29-2005, 08:15 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: New York
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.
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11-29-2005, 08:22 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.
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Hey Idiot, how is that at all relevant to the fact that because overcards have more outs they are a 3:1 favorite? You determine odds by calculating your outs moran.
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11-29-2005, 08:29 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
The pocket pair is a about a 55% favorite to win the hand. I agree that a pair losing to overcards is not a bad beat, but it is a small favorite nonetheless.
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11-29-2005, 08:37 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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The pocket pair is a about a 55% favorite to win the hand. I agree that a pair losing to overcards is not a bad beat, but it is a small favorite nonetheless.
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The overcards are 75% to win you [censored] idiot. How can people be soo retarded. Did you even read my post? Can you reduce fractions?
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11-29-2005, 08:49 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,165
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com
UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.
Flop: (t15255) Q , 7 , Q (3 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t15255
Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.
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Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.
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11-29-2005, 08:54 PM
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#27
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: May 2005
Location: My gimmick account is still a mod.
Posts: 8,904
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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dude ....think i overplayed this?? WTF THIS IS THE STORY OF MY MTT LIFE
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com
UTG+1 (t20437)
MP1 (t7176)
MP2 (t12135)
MP3 (t4580)
CO (t19384)
Hero (t5000)
SB (t14085)
BB (t7280)
UTG (t11083)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , A .
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t150, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t300, MP3 raises to t600, CO calls t600, Hero raises to t5000, 2 folds, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls t3980 (All-In), CO calls t4400.
Flop: (t15255) Q , 7 , Q (3 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: (t15255) 8 (3 players, 1 all-in)
River: (t15255) 9 (3 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: t15255
Results in white below:
MP3 has Kh Kd (flush, king high).
CO has 4c 4h (two pair, queens and fours).
Hero has As Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: MP3 wins t14415. Hero wins t840.
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Obviously. They had 4 outs to beat you. You only had 2. 2:1 you get knocked out there.
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This is correct. Of course, he was getting 2:1 on his money, so preflop this was an EV neutral situation. And since you want to get your money in when you have the best of it, not when the pot odds are dead even, that makes this a fold.
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11-29-2005, 09:21 PM
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What SN is this?
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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Hey idiot, the difference is with a pocket pair, you don't have to improve.
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... its not fun when its this easy
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11-29-2005, 10:12 PM
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#29
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DeucesCracked Sponsored Forum
Join Date: May 2005
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
this whole bad beat forum is the only reason internet poker will never "dry up" - just when someone learns to play. they'll take a bad beat and post here with the sarcasm button not pressed and read about the doom switch sign on and off 20 times then go all in with 67 and think they are 3:1
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11-30-2005, 12:39 AM
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#30
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banned
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Brooklyn
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Re: STOP OVERPLAYING POCKET PAIRS AND WHINING WHEN YOU LOSE WITH THEM!
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You say 3:1 fav to improve for overcards -- haven't you ignored the fact that the pocket pair doesn't have to improve to win or is this thread a joke? It seems like all the threads under this topic have some underlying sarcasm to them...
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holly crap i just choked on some cranberry juice ); nh sir
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