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This is some of what I do at the table This is some of what I do at the table

06-06-2016 , 03:03 AM
I have an edge in live poker. Specifically live cash game NL Hold 'Em. Simply because I'm emulating a calculator and you're not. I practiced and memorized very specific things to ensure that I can solve my PO and IO every single hand. Especially on the river. My 4th-to-5th street mental math is "perfect". Any amount you bet on the river, I will know my exact pot odds(minus the rake), my exact implied odds, the ratio of your bet compared to the pot size, your bet size compared to your stack size, your stack size compared to the pot, etc. Also, no matter what hand you have, I will know your drawing outs. I memorized what I call the 45/44 chart:

1 out - 44:1, 43:1
2 outs - 21.5:1, 21:1
3 outs - 14:1, 13.67:1
4 outs - 10.25:1, 10:1
5 outs - 8:1, 7.8:1
6 outs - 6.5:1, 6.33:1
7 outs - 5.43:1, 5.29:1
8 outs - 4.63:1, 4.5:1
9 outs - 4:1, 3.89:1
10 outs - 3.5:1, 3.4:1
11 outs - 3.09:1, 3:1
12 outs - 2.75:1, 2.67:1
13 outs - 2.46:1, 2.38:1
14 outs - 2.21:1, 2.14:1
15 outs - 2:1, 1.93:1
16 outs - 1.81:1, 1.75:1
17 outs - 1.65:1, 1.59:1
18 outs - 1.5:1, 1.44:1

Don't think I looked at anything to type that out. I can repeat that chart off in under 30 seconds.

I use a 45/44 chart, not a 47/46 chart, as some may ponder why. I have to assume my opponents two cards as well. The turn-to-river odds are the most important and this math is exact. I memorized the flop-to-turn odds as well, even though it's not exact because there are two cards to come. I also have thoroughly examined flop-to-river odds for all outs.

I'm always tracking the bet-to-pot ratio. This is the amount that you bet compared to the size of the pot. I'm not quite sure if "bet-to-pot ratio" is proper, but I can't think of a better term to summarize it. Anyways, since almost all players don't even add up the pot all the way through, I get to see the amount you choose to bet and know how that relates to the pot. I obviously see who is adding up the pot and who is not, almost immediately. Almost everybody is not following the pot size in real-time, especially after the flop bets. When betting the flop, turn, and river, if your bet-to-pot ratio is inconsistent throughout each street with the hand you are representing or trying to represent, I will know. I pick up a lot of bluffs from knowing the logic of your bet-to-pot ratios. This is something I did not anticipate learning when I started.

When it's time for the turn bet, you better know the exact pot, and exactly what to bet to make it not worth it for me to call. Sometimes people bet so poor that I'm getting pot odds on a flush draw going to the river, even if I min-raise semi-bluff and they call. Remember, I see your bet-to-pot ratio and the amounts that you call in the pot with the hands you hold. I know what to bet and what amount to bet in comparison to the pot to get the most out of you. I also see how much you raise preflop in comparison to your stack size. This helps because I know who to get involved with in order to maximize my IO preflop. I see the exact odds that you take when you're calling on a draw. This helps me figure out how much to bet into you later too. I know if you are making bad calls or slightly poor calls. If you call 2.5:1 OOP with a flush draw then that is something that I will always remember about you.

For a simple example of what I'm doing at the table, here is a hand super simple hand:

I have 9 hard outs to win going to the river. 9 outs win, remaining 35 cards lose. When Villian bets $200 on the turn into $600 with $1,000 behind, it's an obvious call. Even if Villian went all-in for $200, I would have to call every time. But if he went all-in for $200 into a pot of $550, I'm folding.

For a slightly more complicated example, I have 8c8d. The board is 8s7d4h5c in a 4-way pot. Villian is first to act on the turn and bets $125 into $200 with $85 behind. I fold. I'm getting 3.28:1 IO on my 3.4:1 draw. From simple mental math, I know if I had .12 more units of $125 then I would have an exact 3.4:1, thus breaking even with my call if he had $100 behind. Anything over $100 behind is +EV up to the $ amount that he would fold a straight to card that pairs the board. Possibly $100-200 depending on who you're playing.

These are simple poker examples in general, but to do it in real-time at the table is not simple. It is important for me to be accurate. It's hard to make a math mistake anymore, though.

I can do the math for every hand with any dealer, no matter how fast they are. It's just fun for me. I take it so seriously but I love it at the same time. I never get angry or anything. I'm just doing math. I often have headphones in with no music on. I don't really ever talk to anybody. I am paying very close attention, as I have also read several books on body language and limbic reactions. This helps out, but not like the mental math.

Is anybody else trying something similar?

On another note, I plan on moving to Las Vegas in 11 months. I really do love it there.
06-06-2016 , 03:09 AM
06-06-2016 , 04:45 AM
I didn't think there would be ever be a wall bigger then the great wall of China. I was wrong.
06-06-2016 , 06:53 AM
Anyone reading this?
06-06-2016 , 06:56 AM
That's some serious math going on.

Spoiler:
06-06-2016 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by vrael111
Anyone reading this?
Read:

[x] Anyone reading this?
[ ] That ridiculous ****ing OP
06-06-2016 , 09:00 AM
Not sure if brag or beat?
06-06-2016 , 09:06 AM
Its a beat for you if you actually read that wall of ****

Last edited by PasswordGotHacked; 06-06-2016 at 09:07 AM. Reason: I'm obv bored tonight if you can't tell. But still not bored enough to read OP
06-06-2016 , 05:35 PM
I'm bragging about how awesome I am at live NL Hold'Em cash games. Those who won't read this because of the visual size of the post, I feel sorry that you're scared of literature. Go read smaller posts? Weird.
06-06-2016 , 05:46 PM
Looks interesting. I'll make sure to read it next time I have an entire eternity to get thru it lol.



But seriously though, it does look like there might be some stuff I could learn in your OP so I will be reading thru it later today. Thanks for sharing.

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06-06-2016 , 07:48 PM
You had me at, "I have an edge." Didn't read the rest.

Do you coach?
06-06-2016 , 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesmccabe000
I'm bragging about how awesome I am at live NL Hold'Em cash games. Those who won't read this because of the visual size of the post, I feel sorry that you're scared of literature. Go read smaller posts? Weird.
[ ] Literature (Written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit.)

[x] Drivel (Silly nonsense.)
06-06-2016 , 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesmccabe000
I'm bragging about how awesome I am at live NL Hold'Em cash games. Those who won't read this because of the visual size of the post, I feel sorry that you're scared of literature. Go read smaller posts? Weird.
That'll work lol

Try posting something readable you clown. You may THINK you're good at poker but you obv suck at life and everything else ESPECIALLY posting on forums
06-06-2016 , 08:59 PM
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06-06-2016 , 09:50 PM
My second post was sarcastic.
06-06-2016 , 09:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
[ ] Literature (Written works, especially those considered of superior or lasting artistic merit.)

[x] Drivel (Silly nonsense.)
Yes, it was sarcasm.
06-06-2016 , 09:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pairsof2s
You had me at, "I have an edge." Didn't read the rest.

Do you coach?
Nope.
06-06-2016 , 09:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlmostGood
Looks interesting. I'll make sure to read it next time I have an entire eternity to get thru it lol.



But seriously though, it does look like there might be some stuff I could learn in your OP so I will be reading thru it later today. Thanks for sharing.

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Np. Sorry for the length, but it should honestly be longer.
06-06-2016 , 09:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesmccabe000
Np. Sorry for the length, but it should honestly be longer.
im sure u tell all the girls that
06-06-2016 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by PasswordGotHacked
im sure u tell all the girls that
That is what I say. Honestly, it should be longer, but you're not doing it right.
06-06-2016 , 10:25 PM
If you were actually as good as you say you are you would already be crushing the high stakes games in Bobby's Room. Good luck with that move to vegas. I predict you'll end up in the gutter but I could be wrong.
06-07-2016 , 12:52 AM
Sick brag, OP.*
06-07-2016 , 01:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamesmccabe000
I'm bragging about how awesome I am at live NL Hold'Em cash games. Those who won't read this because of the visual size of the post, I feel sorry that you're scared of literature. Go read smaller posts? Weird.
What about online poker? Do you know all the keyboard shortcuts?
06-07-2016 , 01:50 AM
If you spill a box of toothpicks on the floor I can count them immediately, thats my edge.
06-07-2016 , 02:24 AM
Stop lying OP, you don't have an edge. Sammy's got all the edges, and Sammy doesn't share. Everyone knows that.

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