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Old 03-17-2017, 04:26 PM   #1
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so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 15.69, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: 10.53, Hands: 52)
SB: 306 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 8.47, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 61)
BB: 126 BB
Hero (UTG): 306.5 BB
MP: 85.5 BB
CO: 254 BB (VPIP: 16.22, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 77)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ks Kd
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 40 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 37 BB

Flop : (81.5 BB, 2 players) Ac Js Kc
Hero checks, CO bets 78.5 BB, Hero calls 78.5 BB

Turn : (238.5 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero checks, CO bets 135.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 135.5 BB

River : (509.5 BB, 2 players) Qs

Hero shows Ks Kd (Full House, Kings full of Jacks)
(Pre 18%, Flop 5%, Turn 2%)

CO shows Ad Ah (Full House, Aces full of Jacks)
(Pre 82%, Flop 95%, Turn 98%)

CO wins 494.5 BB
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:40 PM   #2
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

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Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ks Kd
Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, CO raises to 40 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 37 BB
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:41 PM   #3
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

I missed the Beginners Question in this OP. My bad.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:43 PM   #4
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

Sorry, but that isn't a cooler. You were behind from the very beginning.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:47 PM   #5
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

Isn't that the definition of a cooler?
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:57 PM   #6
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

So you lost $5 OP? If that has you nearly in tears, you may want to rethink poker as a hobby.
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Old 03-17-2017, 04:57 PM   #7
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

It happens.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:44 PM   #8
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

Awful post, but there is a learning point here (and why it's not really a cooler...although yeah it is 2nl of course).

A tight to nitty player raises you huge preflop with a 254 bb effective stack.

Kinda screams AA all day long don't it? Even at 2nl.

Maybe you are never finding a fold at 2nl once the flp comes (I wouldn't) but you sure as **** should be calling his hand before you see his cards.

And as for the rest of the post...what WB said.
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Old 03-17-2017, 05:48 PM   #9
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

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Awful post, but there is a learning point here (and why it's not really a cooler...although yeah it is 2nl of course).

A tight to nitty player raises you huge preflop with a 254 bb effective stack.

Kinda screams AA all day long don't it? Even at 2nl.

Maybe you are never finding a fold at 2nl once the flp comes (I wouldn't) but you sure as **** should be calling his hand before you see his cards.

And as for the rest of the post...what WB said.
It's zoom and he's got 70 hands. I'm assuming a misclick is more likely than V only ever having AA and I 4b/gii. Even if it's not a misclick it's crazy to assume this is only the nuts from an unknown.
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Old 03-17-2017, 08:17 PM   #10
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Awful post, but there is a learning point here (and why it's not really a cooler...although yeah it is 2nl of course).

A tight to nitty player raises you huge preflop with a 254 bb effective stack.

Kinda screams AA all day long don't it? Even at 2nl.

Maybe you are never finding a fold at 2nl once the flp comes (I wouldn't) but you sure as **** should be calling his hand before you see his cards.

And as for the rest of the post...what WB said.
Agree. This is always AA. Small chance villain misclicked or is on tilt, but when he bets the flop and makes it that sizing, you can rule both those out.

OP, what range of hands did you put villain on on each street?
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:47 PM   #11
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Sorry, but that isn't a cooler. You were behind from the very beginning.
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Isn't that the definition of a cooler?
I suppose so but I like to think of it more of you hitting a very good hand and villain hits better like someone hitting a full house as you hit your flush.

Being behind all the way is not quite the same thing but I see your point
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Old 03-18-2017, 04:45 AM   #12
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It's zoom and he's got 70 hands. I'm assuming a misclick is more likely than V only ever having AA and I 4b/gii. Even if it's not a misclick it's crazy to assume this is only the nuts from an unknown.
70 hands = unknown? You have 70 hands and yet you think a misclick is a more likely occurrence than a tight player trying to manipulate the SPR.

Bayes Theorem (and Occam's Razor) mate...it's right there in The Mathematics of Poker if you want a reference.

For beginners who want to improve this this thread is an excellent example of thinking about range. If villain was 46/17 or 81/7 or 44/39 over 70 hands (VPIP has easily converged to a usable stat by 70 hands) then sure villain could show up with anything at 2nl.

But 16/13 villain after 77 hands is not even remotely close to being an unknown and it's certainly no 2nl fish. That's a villain that does not want to play the preflop nuts with a huge SPR, because he knows OVP play best with an SPR around 4-7.

It does not make him a good NL player (it 2nl ffs!) but it does make him someone who should be respected at that level for thinking about the game.

FWIW I think the optimal play (for the AA hand) would be to 3bet a normal size hoping for 4bet or to get the other hand capped before we go to the flop and play poker. But don't forget villain is a 16/13 reg who also has 77 hands on hero (op). Given hero's (op) comments, maybe villain has a read on op that make this a sound exploitative play???

bottom line...if you are thinking about misclicks & coolers in a hand like this you are missing a whole load of learning opportunities.

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Old 03-18-2017, 01:18 PM   #13
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

It's a cooler. Better get used to them. Because it is the bad beats that hurt more.

The worst bad beat I ever saw (I wasn't in the hand) was a 3 way all in on the flop in PLO where player 1 had aces over kings, player 2 had kings over aces and player 3 top two pair. Player 3 won the hand by going runner runner 5s to quad the 5s in his hand.

I stopped playing PLO shortly after that.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:22 PM   #14
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

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I suppose so but I like to think of it more of you hitting a very good hand and villain hits better like someone hitting a full house as you hit your flush.
Coolers are hands where you're doomed to stack off, exactly like the OP. You're describing a bad beat.
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Old 03-18-2017, 01:51 PM   #15
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Coolers are hands where you're doomed to stack off, exactly like the OP. You're describing a bad beat.
You really think you're doomed to stack off, given the pre-flop and post-flop action? What hand range do you put villain on?
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Old 03-18-2017, 03:01 PM   #16
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

Totally disqusting
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Old 03-18-2017, 05:07 PM   #17
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tell me guys how the **** did he exploit me did he soul read me that I have kk like wtf guys are you talking about ?? HE loses value with hands like AK or AQ and even QQ this morning a guy (maybe the same guy?) DID EXACTLY THE SAME ****ing THING PREFLOP . we were both 500bb deep and I timed out QQ preflop oop.like wtf this guys really wtf are in there minD when they 3b like ****ing tools.
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Old 03-18-2017, 07:08 PM   #18
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tell me guys how the **** did he exploit me did he soul read me that I have kk like wtf guys are you talking about ?? HE loses value with hands like AK or AQ and even QQ this morning a guy (maybe the same guy?) DID EXACTLY THE SAME ****ing THING PREFLOP . we were both 500bb deep and I timed out QQ preflop oop.like wtf this guys really wtf are in there minD when they 3b like ****ing tools.
You haven't read any of the posts, have you? Go back and re-read Fatboy's posts and my posts. Try and understand why villain does not have AK, AQ or QQ.

This thread has now been moved to BBV, because you're crying like a little baby over your bad beat, rather than engaging in proper discussion.
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Old 03-18-2017, 08:21 PM   #19
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:13 PM   #20
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unconverted hand i want to cry
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:23 PM   #24
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

Losing an entire cheeseburger and fries tilts me pretty hard, especially when I'm hungry. Not quite as tilting as deciding that a q is pretty much a g though.

lol at that 13x 3bet
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Old 03-18-2017, 09:46 PM   #25
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Re: so disqusting cooler I want to cry.

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Awful post, but there is a learning point here (and why it's not really a cooler...although yeah it is 2nl of course).

A tight to nitty player raises you huge preflop with a 254 bb effective stack.

Kinda screams AA all day long don't it? Even at 2nl.

Maybe you are never finding a fold at 2nl once the flp comes (I wouldn't) but you sure as **** should be calling his hand before you see his cards.

And as for the rest of the post...what WB said.
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