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03-05-2017 , 05:50 AM
THIS IS A LIVE CASH GAME HAND. I want it in this section because live and online are different. I want live player opinions.

Action folds around to the button who limps in for $2 with Q6. I call my small blind with Q6 for $1. BB checks with KQ. Remember NOBODY raised preflop, ALSO look at the action. EVERYONE FOLDS, BB SB and Button are playing.

Flop comes Q64r
I check
*KQ* BB - bets $2
*Q6* Button - raise to $7
*Q6* SB (me) - call $7 with intention to raise on turn AND river

Turn comes Q64Kr
I check
*KQ* BB - bets $20
*Q6* Button - calls $20
*Q6* SB (me) - raise to $50
they both call

River comes Q64K8r
*Q6* SB (me) - bet $60
*KQ* BB - calls $60
*Q6* Button - after agonizing calls $60

I lose a very large pot to a BB KQo who does not raise preflop. I wouldn't have usually played this hand, but given that the entire table folds I elect to call in the small blind. With no flush, and with no real straight out there I feel like Q6 should almost ALWAYS be the best hand in this situation. The preflop action was not raised so QQ and KK are out, additionally KQ should have raised pre-flop seeing as there were only 3 people in the pot.

I feel like on a board texture like this, with no flushes, no straights, and no 3 of a kinds I should almost always have the best hand.

I went for absolute MAX value, but I got screwed. I wanted to slow play the flop to allow any 6 or 4 to improve to 2 pairs. I felt like sets were out of the question because it's difficult to hit a set first of all, and second of all NOBODY raised preflop.75 IS THE ONLY STRAIGHT, BUT THE ACTION DOES NOT SIGNAL A 75.

Last edited by hereto; 03-05-2017 at 06:04 AM.
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03-05-2017 , 06:31 AM
Looks pretty standard to be honest.
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03-05-2017 , 06:51 AM
Should I ALWAYS elect to fold this hand in this position? If everyone folds to the button and its 1/2bb to call a 3 way flop with the button, me, and BB I feel like it is correct. Should I just always fold instead?

Last edited by hereto; 03-05-2017 at 07:04 AM.
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03-05-2017 , 08:18 AM
You just got unlucky and lost to a better hand. Don't read too much into it.

On the flop, KQ was never folding for a single bet. You could have check raised, but as you said, you were going for MAX VALUE, and allowing a single pair to improve. Once he hit the K on the turn, that was it.
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03-05-2017 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hereto
THIS IS A LIVE CASH GAME HAND. I want it in this section because live and online are different.
This is not a strategy forum. I WANT MIRRION does not apply here.
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With no flush, and with no real straight out there I feel like Q6 should almost ALWAYS be the best hand in this situation. The preflop action was not raised so QQ and KK are out, additionally KQ should have raised pre-flop seeing as there were only 3 people in the pot.
As soon as you see a hand at showdown that you thought a player could not have, you should start thinking about what other hands he might have in this spot instead of continuing to rule those hands out. Next time, BB shows QQ and you say that KK and KQ are out because he didn't raise.

It's a limped pot at 1/2, players can show up with everything. That said, I think you played it fine. Just stop thinking that it's always almost good when there's heavy action 3 handed. If you are good "only" 40% of the time, that's still perfectly fine.
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03-05-2017 , 11:24 AM
Will not read wall of text
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03-05-2017 , 05:04 PM
( ) Beat
( ) Brag
( ) Variance
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03-05-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
( ) Beat
( ) Brag
( ) Variance
I didn't notice the beats part of this section. Thank you.

Last edited by hereto; 03-05-2017 at 06:10 PM.
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03-05-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by madlex
This is not a strategy forum. I WANT MIRRION does not apply here.

As soon as you see a hand at showdown that you thought a player could not have, you should start thinking about what other hands he might have in this spot instead of continuing to rule those hands out. Next time, BB shows QQ and you say that KK and KQ are out because he didn't raise.

It's a limped pot at 1/2, players can show up with everything. That said, I think you played it fine. Just stop thinking that it's always almost good when there's heavy action 3 handed. If you are good "only" 40% of the time, that's still perfectly fine.
I feel as though I should never put someone on KK, AQ, QQ, or KQ if its SB BB and button AND they dont raise pre. Especially when I have a Q blocker to every single one of those hands except kings. With the action ahead I feel like I should be good like 80% of the time seeing as the button and BB should have random cards.

Also, you're saying that next time BB shows up with the last 2 queens in the deck with no raise pre.. Yes I've seen it happen, but that is way too unlikely to use as an argument. Especially with no raise pre.

Heavy action 3 handed should signal something, and I could have gotten a good read off of that alone. I will consider that next time. It was one hour until close though.

Last edited by hereto; 03-05-2017 at 06:17 PM.
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03-05-2017 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
You just got unlucky and lost to a better hand. Don't read too much into it.

On the flop, KQ was never folding for a single bet. You could have check raised, but as you said, you were going for MAX VALUE, and allowing a single pair to improve. Once he hit the K on the turn, that was it.
Ok and yeah.. It wasn't the 2p I wanted thats for sure, but considering that the only bad cards are the K and A I felt like it was a profitable risk. A bigger Qx 2pair is unlikely because I have the queen.
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03-05-2017 , 06:40 PM
There is a live low stakes NL thread OP. I suggest you post their for better answers.
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03-06-2017 , 05:37 PM
fold preflop, is there rake at this table? why are two people limping Q6? how much money was on the flop? 0$?
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03-07-2017 , 06:38 PM
This hand was pretty much taken to the butcher on every single street. Hint; your sizing is extremely horrible.
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