OK decided to play poker tonight as i was bored loaded 4 mtts crashed from them all to the worst joke possible...

floppeed a straight 10 high i raise the flop the to pot bet, he re raised i called turn was a 6 he put me all in i called river 5

he showed a 56 this is a mtt for 69 euro buy in
now terrible poker from him, what gets me is people say variance, i reload another mtt 10k max on the small blind im pushed preflop mid table i have aa he shows 77 and obviously hits his set.

next game another 55$ this time not to bad i floped a set near the bubble the guy had aj flop 6jq turn king river queen pfftttt then another one i lost pre to qq v ak standard


now people this is the reality of poker you will lose bad beat after bad beat in mtts

people who try to glorify it are a joke you can not defend people how they play bad and win

people keep saying keep playing you will win no you dont you dont win fact you keep gettign bizzare suckouts, why on earth do you not see this in live poker internet poker is bizzare unfair and you must be playign multi millionaires as they call with anything to the river and always hit

wasted 300 gbp played well and got hammered 4 times threw extreme bad bads thats all poker is

words next to each other do not automatically make a sentence.

fyp

THATS RIGHT take the piss, if you where next to me you would not be doing that.

my mistake playing

Whats a gdp? Is it a glorious double penetration?

You keep saying you will win in the long run. That isn't going to happen, but it's not because poker is rigged, you are just a losing player.

Fidstar I love you a little more each passing day.

Play better and you won't lose all the time

Flop fewer sets and push more with overs. Ywia.

69 euro buy-in. haha. 69.

You play as good as you write?

fidstar Can you maybe explain without be childish same to you Imlostontheriver.....Why the British Gambling Commission has categorized poker as CAT C, which falls in line with Blackjack Roullete etc, that’s a fact. You see I have written to Imlostontheriver explaining to him that $70,000 a year is not a lot of money which is roughly £44,000 I earn about 65-70K which is 105,000 Dollars not sure if your Canadian or what. I play MTT’s well used to to with fields of up to 700-1000, have made final table several occasions and a few good wins under my belt, since ive being playing poker back in 2007 I would say i’m up which is not a lie not by a lot but i’m up, broke even once or twice.
Now we all know poker is roughly 30-40% luck yet people try to defend it saying its a skill game like chess etc makes me laugh that one. I always remember back in 2010 winning 25,000 in a $105 dollar by in and played possibly the worst poker ever, was so lucky coming from 20 BB’s to win kept doubling up over crazy hands like 89vKK 24vQQ 77vAA it was beyond me i kept getting lucky and lucky i was winning and cashing.
I’ve had so many tournaments like this yet lost so many threw what everyone calls bad beats for example 100 euro buy in 400 9max MTT i raised bb with 108 os was a bad call i know but he called flop came 679 all d I raised pot he re-raised i call turn 6 so I had him on a diamond he calls all in i call river 5 he shows 56c so it was an extreme bad beat that’s what happens and annoys me that i get called a losing player its frustrating to say the least...or near the bubble my aces preflop all in v 55 or 78 or tj or kk we say 20% of the time lose to kk but what if it happens and happens etc

Here an example to shut everyone up about skill lets use andy beal as an example a ama billionaire who wiperd the floor with all the top poker professionals of the world only phil ivey could compete taking 12m from him

People like fidstar and imlostontheriver come on this and try to act like some sort of gods please does not suit you you are far far far far away from playing high stakes poker

44,000 is seriously not a lot of money......i wish other people would get of high horse on this 90% of people who play poker are losing players fidstar you could be a winner at micrstakes so you could
And this will no doubt get closed as always does, as people like fidstar are told to defend the game of poker.

Post ****ing better dude. Nobody is going to read that. Try punctuation, shorter sentences, less run ons and more paragraphs. Have a point and ****ing make it quickly.

I really hope English is your second language.

Can you please write this in a way I could possibly answer it.

Seriously... I thought the British invented the damn language...

Sorry for the bad spelling and grammar it was written on a smart phone.

Basically my point was the big Skill v Luck aspect in poker, People saying in the long run it’s skill in the short term, anyone can click and win I do agree yes. However one crucial point what if you are a Recreational player maybe one two times per week let’s say 5-10 MTT’s.

You lose bad beat every time, yet you know you are a good player know the maths have all the latest software, Holdem Manager, table ninja, any others. You know when to get it in good are aware of variance, yet bad beats keep on incurring time and time again.

EG AA v 88 pre flop

He pushes the rivers a set. Bad beat...People chasing Flush draws, open ended st8 draws 2 outers the list goes on people who take a serious gamble for the 5% and hit.
My point was it kept happing and example last night spent 400 euro on 6 MTT’s do be more or less handed a bad beat each MTT.

I’m not bitter very aware you can go 100MTT’s without a cash it happens, what annoys me is when people such as Fidstar and Imlostontheriver make themselves to be poker superiors going from thread to thread preaching that what they say is gospel.

In the past I have had major luck when I won a MTT for $105 buy in, could not believe from less than 20BB short stack went on to win threw very lucky double up’s does that make me good no, luck was with me to win £25,000.

One final point you get coaches on 2plus2 saying look at my chart I’m a real crusher yet I’m charging £30 per hour and you people go ohhhh look at his graph the red line goes up and up he’s good. I will pay him you get his wisdom and knowledge then what you play against people who have the knowledge everyone same level it then falls to LUCK.

Andy Beal beat all the professionals that’s another point, If let’s say you play someone like who is a millionaire online and play 2/5 6 max he would win almost every time because it is like us playing ½ cent micro games. My friend who is not a great poker player plays online at 1 / 2 and cleans up every time cause he is loaded and does not care if he wins or loses but he will not have an issue calling a 40% underdog every hand.

If anyone wants to play him on stars let me know via a PM heads up like i said not very skilful but money is really not a problem.

I still don't understand what your post is really trying to get at.

Yes, if you are only playing 5-10 MTTs a week you are going to be variances bitch as you have no volume.

But, as you say, if you are good at math you will know that and just deal with it.

In regards to the coaching - As long as people are being honest with their results and answering anyone who is asking questions with honest answers, who cares. It's up to the individual consumer to decide who he wants to pay money to for coaching. If you think someone is lying, go ahead and report them. If you think BBV takes lightly to dodgy coaching maybe you should read this thread... Your doom

I'm not sure what your random bad beat hand or information on Andy Beal and your friend have to do with anything. But most of your posts don't seem to stay on topic. As someone above said - "Have a point and get to it".

I'm not sure what I have preached as gospel. As a mod here the only 'benefits' I receive is getting first dibs with Craggoo's mom. Nothing more. Actually that's a lie, I get access to all the weird porn that gets posted in the mod forum.

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this is the only word ive read itt.

maybe i do go of an a tangent however its threw frustration,
the amount of people on this who are calling other fish,donk etc

i have read 6 poker books watched numerous videos and documentary's regarding poker, the fact is i can't win nothing threw extreme bad beats, and I give up i mean flop a st8 and some one calls with a 56 once six on the board turn 6 river 5

FULLHOUSE

that was a 100 Euro buy in and it was done to 40 players....so he called all his chips for a 4% on the flop all in, this kinda thing happens all the time....

Yet i get called the fish how else can you play in flop a st8 get called all in oh i fold pfftt...

aa beats last 4 hands in showdown pre flop list goes on and on.....

the UK sees poker as gambling fidstar

Fidstar one question in a MTT what is your perception on luck how much % do you think you need to final table from a group of 700 9 max??

*Through, not threw

OP, your thread gave me ebolaids.

^ What does that even mean? You're saying that if Phil Ivey played 10 million hands at 2nl, he would have a 30% chance of losing?

Im talking about MTT's and yes phil ivery at a cetain level would lose of course its only 2 cards remember........

Andrew,

You seem to not have a great grasp on what variance is.

If you make the best play over a great enough number of hands you will come out ahead. This is called "the law of large numbers". Basically the more hands you play the closer you will get to how things should statistically be. For example, if you have AA and your opponent has KK you might lose ten times in a row despite being a massive favorite but if you run that same scenario 1000 times the overall result will be much closer to what it should be statistically and the aces will be way ahead.

This is why everyone says to increase your volume to lower the variance.

Also, tournaments suck balls for variance because you can win 100 hands and you only need to lose one to a bad beat and you are out. This is why tournaments are just luck fests.

To win or final table or even cash any individual MTT you need luck. It is highly unlikely any person that makes it threw to the final tables of a 700 man MTT didn't have some luck threw-out the tournament (luck is not just winning as an underdog, you've still got to be lucky not to lose as a favorite). To win long term you need skill.

I can see why the UK calls it gambling. It is. Just if you skilled enough, it's gambling with a positive return.