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Old 05-10-2017, 11:15 PM   #26
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Sure, lets think about it intelligently...

Preflop, hero was 43% favored to win. Short stake was shoving with a very wide array of hands and covered. Assume the loss, that leaves 1500+ with AA to go against other opponent in a heads up for the 3000 chips. The blinds are nowhere near the money so tourney odds/placement/bubble is not a factor.

Another way of seeing it, you have 1500 chips and someone shoves into you preflop early in a tournament. There is no reason to fold.

Please intelligently explain the reasoning to fold aces preflop heads up in this situation.
You're a 43% favourite multiway sure. The problem is there is a 57% chance of you going busto. Therefore there is a greater chance of you going busto than you winning the pot. Hows that for an intelligent response??
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:22 AM   #27
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Really?? How do you know what the board is going to be? The chips were all in preflop.
Fold pre flop is definitely the right play as I'm sure others would agree (as played fold river though).

You should definitely read up on post flop ranging your equity. Flop range is so narrow it's bound to be a draw heavy flop. With that info just muck your hand pre.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:49 AM   #28
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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You're a 43% favourite multiway sure. The problem is there is a 57% chance of you going busto. Therefore there is a greater chance of you going busto than you winning the pot. Hows that for an intelligent response??
Not so good...

Sure, 43% against 3 players. You are going head's up against the bigger stack with your 1500 chips. The short stack shoves with almost anything there and since he is well covered, you can act as a heads up vs the other player. So what is the percent of AA winning vs an opponent heads up all in? If OP's AA holds up against the big stack, they are ahead of where they were prior to the hand assuming straight loss to the short shove. If both players had him covered, then it is a gamble and easy to call after the river. Since the short stack can be discounted due to his size, OP is really being put all in with aces. Op can win with aces and lose to the short stack.

Three players equal in stacks and the AA calling is risky but understandable to call. OP doesn't have to compete with the short stack, only the player that put him all in. Remove the short stack from the hand and the chips in OP's stack that represent calling him. He now has aces vs a big stack bully potentially. Only one player can knock him out and if OP wins the hand vs him, he has more chips than before after losing to the short stack. Even if the short stack had more than 50% of OP's stack size folding could be argued. He has a third. It is simple math, lose a third and double what is left.

43% chance of winning against both players and 85% chance his aces hold up against the big stack. He only needs to beat the big stack to come out ahead. The short stack should not matter in whether or not he calls based on stack sizes.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:53 AM   #29
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Dude there's 4 to a straight and three to a flush on board and you're suggesting he should put in his whole stack on AA? You're crazy man.

Lol, I am crazy?? Can you not read or comprehend the OP??? He didn't put a chip into the pot after the flop. He went all in PREFLOP.

Who is suggesting any action on that turn or river? Why do so many keep mentioning the board but the chips were in the pot prior to the flop.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:03 AM   #30
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Lol, I am crazy?? Can you not read or comprehend the OP??? He didn't put a chip into the pot after the flop. He went all in PREFLOP.

Who is suggesting any action on that turn or river? Why do so many keep mentioning the board but the chips were in the pot prior to the flop.
Pathetic response. Keep on depositing
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:57 AM   #31
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Pathetic response. Keep on depositing
This.
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:58 AM   #32
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Not so good...

Sure, 43% against 3 players. You are going head's up against the bigger stack with your 1500 chips. The short stack shoves with almost anything there and since he is well covered, you can act as a heads up vs the other player. So what is the percent of AA winning vs an opponent heads up all in? If OP's AA holds up against the big stack, they are ahead of where they were prior to the hand assuming straight loss to the short shove. If both players had him covered, then it is a gamble and easy to call after the river. Since the short stack can be discounted due to his size, OP is really being put all in with aces. Op can win with aces and lose to the short stack.

Three players equal in stacks and the AA calling is risky but understandable to call. OP doesn't have to compete with the short stack, only the player that put him all in. Remove the short stack from the hand and the chips in OP's stack that represent calling him. He now has aces vs a big stack bully potentially. Only one player can knock him out and if OP wins the hand vs him, he has more chips than before after losing to the short stack. Even if the short stack had more than 50% of OP's stack size folding could be argued. He has a third. It is simple math, lose a third and double what is left.

43% chance of winning against both players and 85% chance his aces hold up against the big stack. He only needs to beat the big stack to come out ahead. The short stack should not matter in whether or not he calls based on stack sizes.
Never put your chips in if youre not guaranteed to win the pot. It's that simple and it's probably why you don't win
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:37 AM   #33
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Lol, I am crazy?? Can you not read or comprehend the OP??? He didn't put a chip into the pot after the flop. He went all in PREFLOP.

Who is suggesting any action on that turn or river? Why do so many keep mentioning the board but the chips were in the pot prior to the flop.
Dude, stop with the low-effort trolling.

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Player polo212 calls (100)
Player mikaliksa raises (425)
Player hemi-time allin (714)
Player suaeminencia folds
Player sighiquit allin (4240)
Player mint milano folds
Player polo212 folds
Player mikaliksa allin (1813)
Uncalled bet (2052) returned to sighiquit
Board: [10s Js Ad 5c Ks]
*Player sighiquit shows: Straight to A [Ah Qd]. Bets: 2248. Collects: 3048. Wins: 800.
Player mikaliksa shows: Three Of Kind of As [Ac As]. Bets: 2248. Collects: 0. Loses: 2248.
*Player hemi-time shows: Flush, K high [9s 2s]. Bets: 724. Collects: 2412. Wins: 1688.
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Old 05-11-2017, 11:38 AM   #34
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Never put your chips in if youre not guaranteed to win the pot. It's that simple and it's probably why you don't win
Disagree with this. Sometimes against their range putting money is good, but eith that board, you're no good against their range no matter the odds.
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:00 PM   #35
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Disagree with this. Sometimes against their range putting money is good, but eith that board, you're no good against their range no matter the odds.
Upon reviewing my previous posts I've come to the conclusion that you're correct. Frankly if I don't have the gut feeling that I'm going to win the pot, even AA goes into the muck.
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Old 05-11-2017, 03:42 PM   #36
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

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Lol, I am crazy?? Can you not read or comprehend the OP??? He didn't put a chip into the pot after the flop. He went all in PREFLOP.

Who is suggesting any action on that turn or river? Why do so many keep mentioning the board but the chips were in the pot prior to the flop.
You'll never be a consistent winner with that attitude.
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:16 AM   #37
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

Does ACR accept players from ouside US?
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:38 AM   #38
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Does ACR accept players from ouside US?
Yes they do. I see Russians frequently.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:54 PM   #39
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Re: Only in low stakes America's Cardroom...

Hi I've played poker for a couple years now, have seen a number of cool things take place. I'll tell you about the most memorable hand I've played in.

So, I was dealt pocket 6's. A third 6 landed on the flop, along with a 2 and a Queen. A few bets are placed, and then one dude raises by going all-in. I call. There's another dewd left in the hand who has his cards covered. I don't see him. I turn up my cards revealing my set of 6's. a dewd on my left turns up his cards to reveal a set of 2's and lays them down. I double facepalm myself, realizing I just made a horrible blunder. The turn is the 2 of diamonds. This makes a flush for the guy still in the hand but gives me a full house, and thus I win the hand. My horrible blunder ironically ended up saving me a ton of money. a dewd on my left obviously would have called had I not shown my cards, and he would have won with quads. a dewd then leans over to me and says, "LOL, I am crazy??"

Interesting, right? What is your most memorable poker hand?
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