***Official 15k in 31 days at 100nl prop bet thread***

[kevinb1983]

Originally Posted by rrayden

Lol at his game plan being so "blatantly obvious". So if he will play only ****ing Rush why did he say in the 3rd line of terms that he "may play the rush tables"? I'm not accusing him of anything either, I definitely should have thought about this, but if I were him I would have specifically said in the first line that "I will play ****ing Rush" if I was gonna make >90% of the hands in that brain killing game. But that's just me maybe and I wouldn't have gotten the action so... yeah... pretty blatantly obvious lol.

But whatever now, what's done it's done, still think (hope) you are not gonna make it, I also surely wouldn't have bet against it if I thought you would play like this. My mistake lol.

In all honesty I wasnt expecting it either but there was never once any sort of angle shot. And to be perfectly honest I still feel pretty swell about the bet if that means anything.

[Th3_S1aught3r]

Obviously he will be playing the rush tables. This will be an easy bet for him if he only sticks to them... This prop bet is all about volume

[NoMeansNo]

I am definitely taking OP's side on this one.


I know my vote is important.

[Gregvenezia]

Originally Posted by Th3_S1aught3r

Obviously he will be playing the rush tables. This will be an easy bet for him if he only sticks to them... This prop bet is all about volume

lol as long as he doesnt keep running terribad. like 1k+ below ev

[meow_meow]

wtf?
"OMG he's playing the rush tables....just like the terms explicitly allow him to do"

I'm actually surprised at how little volume OP is putting in so far - 10 hrs a day is a decent grind, but it isn't absurd or anything.

GL OP, though I'll by trying to take your money at the tables

[zachvac]

rrayden pmed me and wants out of the bet just because he didn't see rush coming. If anyone really feels like it was an angle feel free to opt out now while I'm behind pace. I thought about saying I was going to do rush but then how bad does it look when my plan is to do rush and then I decide midway through that the normal tables are much softer and play those for 90% of the bet? Then I'd be getting posts about how I was angling for that. I wanted to leave my options open so I said I can play either. But I'm behind pace so if you really want to take back your bet now let me know. If you are better hurry because I'm feeling sick day like +5k today coming .

Note: This is not binding, I reserve the right to change my mind whenever I want including 5 seconds after posting this, you are only guaranteed to be able to take bet back if I specifically respond to you to confirm. I really don't expect people to take it back because it's not like rush is that easy anyway (plus it's rigged ) and it's definitely an uphill road.

[Redgrape]

Originally Posted by zachvac

My plan all along was to play 250-300k hands. To win the bet at 300k hands I need to win at 2.5ptbb/100 or 5bb/100. That's over 3bb/100. At 3bb/100 that's $3/100 so 500k hands. I'll say right now if I play over 500k hands during this bet it is void. I will not play over 500k hands. It was not an angle and was not poor forsight. I quite simply have a 0% chance of winning the bet if I only win at 3bb/100. Playing 250-300k hands will be tough enough and currently I'm just over pace for 300k. 500k hands simply will not happen.

Also that's the reason I didn't post my gameplan when asked frequently for it before. I figure it's just lose/lose because either a. I lose action because of what I post or b. I get action because of what I post and then when I don't do it get accused of angling. My gameplan all along (since rush was introduced and I found out how soft it was) was to try to play ~8-10k hands/day of rush. But I've already played some non-rush and had an 18k hand day to start just sort of playing it by ear based on how I feel how soft the tables look and a bunch of other things.


Really not sure what you're talking about though and how that could possibly be even close to an angle.

I don't blame you for not posting your gameplan, I wouldn't either if I was in your position and there's nothing wrong with doing that.

I suppose the vagueness of winrates here totally through me off in your post, so I recant my accusation. But lets say you made a post that made it sound like you werent going to play a lot of hands, as in playing 200k hands or more isnt your gameplan. Something like

"If I can't win more than 4ptBB/100 im going to lose the bet"

That to me is a total angle to get more action, because playing 300k hands means that isnt the case.

What you did wasn't an angle though.

[Redgrape]

Originally Posted by zachvac

rrayden pmed me and wants out of the bet just because he didn't see rush coming. If anyone really feels like it was an angle feel free to opt out now while I'm behind pace. I thought about saying I was going to do rush but then how bad does it look when my plan is to do rush and then I decide midway through that the normal tables are much softer and play those for 90% of the bet? Then I'd be getting posts about how I was angling for that. I wanted to leave my options open so I said I can play either. But I'm behind pace so if you really want to take back your bet now let me know. If you are better hurry because I'm feeling sick day like +5k today coming .

Note: This is not binding, I reserve the right to change my mind whenever I want including 5 seconds after posting this, you are only guaranteed to be able to take bet back if I specifically respond to you to confirm. I really don't expect people to take it back because it's not like rush is that easy anyway (plus it's rigged ) and it's definitely an uphill road.

I'm sorry you shouldnt let people opt out of the bet because they didnt see rush coming, its pretty clearly laid out in your terms that you can play rush poker.

[EN09]

Originally Posted by zachvac

rrayden pmed me and wants out of the bet just because he didn't see rush coming. If anyone really feels like it was an angle feel free to opt out now while I'm behind pace. I thought about saying I was going to do rush but then how bad does it look when my plan is to do rush and then I decide midway through that the normal tables are much softer and play those for 90% of the bet? Then I'd be getting posts about how I was angling for that. I wanted to leave my options open so I said I can play either. But I'm behind pace so if you really want to take back your bet now let me know. If you are better hurry because I'm feeling sick day like +5k today coming .

Note: This is not binding, I reserve the right to change my mind whenever I want including 5 seconds after posting this, you are only guaranteed to be able to take bet back if I specifically respond to you to confirm. I really don't expect people to take it back because it's not like rush is that easy anyway (plus it's rigged ) and it's definitely an uphill road.

If an issue arises, isn't it normally left up to the judges to make any determinations of fairness?

IMHO, your rules were stated and everyone had ample opportunity to read them. Have your judges make a decision and if there is an "angle" or some sort of misrepresentation involved, void the whole thing and begin anew. If not, then proceed as planned and stated.

[zachvac]

Originally Posted by Redgrape

I don't blame you for not posting your gameplan, I wouldn't either if I was in your position and there's nothing wrong with doing that.

I suppose the vagueness of winrates here totally through me off in your post, so I recant my accusation. But lets say you made a post that made it sound like you werent going to play a lot of hands, as in playing 200k hands or more isnt your gameplan. Something like

"If I can't win more than 4ptBB/100 im going to lose the bet"

That to me is a total angle to get more action, because playing 300k hands means that isnt the case.

What you did wasn't an angle though.

Right but I posted 1.5ptbb not 4ptbb...

Originally Posted by Redgrape

I'm sorry you shouldnt let people opt out of the bet because they didnt see rush coming, its pretty clearly laid out in your terms that you can play rush poker.

The main reason I let him opt out was because I'm behind pace and he didn't bet a ton. It's a good thing you don't want to opt out because I was gonna decline that just because I need the bigger bets for motivation. Also I mean anyone who wants to take their bet back now has to be serious about thinking it was an angle. Who takes a bet then when the person is behind pace by 2 days takes it back? It'd be like me betting against the Yankees winning the World Series then taking my bet back when they start the year 2-8 or something. Anyway wasting too much time here gonna go eat then start grinding.

[zachvac]

Originally Posted by EN09

If an issue arises, isn't it normally left up to the judges to make any determinations of fairness?

IMHO, your rules were stated and everyone had ample opportunity to read them. Have your judges make a decision and if there is an "angle" or some sort of misrepresentation involved, void the whole thing and begin anew. If not, then proceed as planned and stated.

Yes but the reason I'm letting him take back the bet isn't because of the angle part. I'm like 99% the judges would rule with me on this because I specifically told them exactly what I planned to do and the reasoning why I wasn't posting specifics. I sent them the rules before I posted them here to make sure they looked good. But if both parties to a bet decide to void the bet not sure why I'd need to get the judges involved...

[EN09]

Originally Posted by Redgrape

I'm sorry you shouldnt let people opt out of the bet because they didnt see rush coming, its pretty clearly laid out in your terms that you can play rush poker.

I'm not insinuating there was an "angle" involved by Zachvac either in the above post. I just don't think Zachvac should be involved in arbitrating disputes or accusations from the agreed upon bettors. Forward them to your judge panel. If a complaint has merit, fine. If not, play on. Zach is right in the middle of his prop bet and should be concentrating on it.

The flip side is, Zach complaining his normal time to play was filled with handling unhappy bettors so he fell $25 short of his goal and lost! Which I highly doubt he'd do to begin with.

[rrayden]

I said I am not accusing him of any angles also, just that I don't like to bet on Rush ****ing Pokers It's a gray area for me, I am not in the mood for gambooling on things I am clueless about. If he didn't want to cancel I would have understand it np, and maybe I would have tried to sell my bet to someone else here. So I might be foolish now to sell it while he is behind, but I don't care, it's a bet I don't like to follow anymore.

So both parties agreed to cancel the bet, no need for judges here, we are dealing it with the escrow only.

[goldtoes]

I agree that the way OP handled this pre-bet was fine. I figured the only way he would be able to make this bet was by playing rush tables at least most of the time. I still bet because those games are pretty wild and seem to tilt even some of the best players. This is exactly why I bet, not the other way around.

And judging from his post yesterday, he did say that he was tilting for awhile. So at least I might have a chance

[zachvac]

lol been set mined in 3-bet pots twice already but it's hard to feel anything but confident when this is the norm even on a Monday morning:

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 511335
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

MP2: $109.50
CO: $114.55
BTN: $109.75
Hero (SB): $108.05
BB: $118.30
UTG: $114.95
UTG+1: $180.65
UTG+2: $40.00
MP1: $40.35

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with K A
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $10, BB calls $9, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $9

Flop: ($31.00) 8 K 3 (3 players)
Hero bets $27, BB folds, UTG+2 raises to $30 all in, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($91.00) 3 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($91.00) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $91.00
Hero shows K A (two pair, Kings and Threes)
UTG+2 shows 7 8 (two pair, Eights and Threes)
Hero wins $88.00
(Rake: $3.00)

+200ish 1k hands in today, telling you it's gonna be +5k day