He shows me an Ace. I level him. - Page 5 - Poker Beats Brags and Variance

The funny thing is that I never even considered the ethical aspect of betting the river. While tanking, the only thing I really contemplated was whether betting would be +EV, and if so, what would be the optimal bluff amount.

Poker is my only source of income. I play to win, not to chit-chat and check it down with some middle-aged nit. He took a risk by showing my his hand-- I interpreted his action as a sign of weakness; an effort to surrender. He probably thought that if he showed me an ace, and I bet, then he could easily get away from the hand, as surely I would never knowingly bet into the best hand. But that's not how I operate. Once the villain revealed to me that he was willing to let the hand go, I determined that betting would be the optimal, most +EV play.

He made a poor decision. I won the pot.

you ****ing disgust me

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02-28-2012 , 10:48 AM

#102

Rok2p2

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 480

Revealing cards before showdown goes against poker etiquette and against rules of many card rooms.

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02-28-2012 , 11:45 AM

#103

willo111

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Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 149

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Originally Posted by aesthetics

What you fail to realize OP is that your opponent expected you to be FAIR in this situation and not be a scumbag angleshooter.

He expected you wouldnt bet anything better and you broke his trust.

There is a difference between bluffing and being a scumbag.

the FAIR thing to do is to play the hand like a normal person and show your cards at showdown not before. Still dont get if everyone saying it is unethical is levelling me lol.

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02-28-2012 , 11:50 AM

#104

chips4u

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Originally Posted by 2DMB2LIV

LOL

I'm starting to understand where the confusion comes from, hahaha

If you truly think that, you must be one of the most naive people on the planet.
Villain clearly didn't want to get owned by a stronger ace and tried to pressure OP into checking down, pretending to be doing a nice thing.

I'm new to this whole "level"thing, so correct me if I am wrong, but I think I did one.

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02-28-2012 , 04:20 PM

#105

Elusive

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Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,139

im completely disgusted by how many people are defending OP, more scumbugs in poker world than i thought

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02-28-2012 , 05:02 PM

#106

alpinestyle

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 180

Triple response merging in this thread.

Both villian/hero were playing poker.

BOTH made plays, while playing poker.

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02-28-2012 , 05:09 PM

#107

Haupt_234

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Originally Posted by alpinestyle

Triple response merging in this thread.

Both villian/hero were playing poker.

BOTH made plays, while playing poker.

wat

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02-28-2012 , 07:05 PM

#108

Kingdom Hearts

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,319

hey has OP realised he was being levelled yet ?

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02-28-2012 , 07:46 PM

#109

I_RAIL_U

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 112

nerd community. Hate all you nerds that found the way to poker. Trolol? Level? Starwars?

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02-28-2012 , 08:05 PM

#110

BackFromABannin

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,939

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Originally Posted by Elusive

im completely disgusted by how many people are defending OP, more scumbugs in poker world than i thought

This.

No excuse for it IMO.

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02-28-2012 , 08:13 PM

#111

There Is A Light

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I've never so many bags of scum in one place.

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03-22-2015 , 07:01 PM

#112

the_tubapol

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Originally Posted by There Is A Light

I've never so many bags of scum in one place.

Some things never change.

Wonder if OP is still playing like an angling douche?

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03-23-2015 , 07:31 AM

#113

Avizura

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Should have showed your K first and then shove repping AK

Sent from my SM-N910F using 2+2 Forums

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03-23-2015 , 09:44 AM

#114

t0pb1ll1n

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Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 607

Epic bump

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03-23-2015 , 01:24 PM

#115

DaYu

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responding to a banned OP... nice.

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03-23-2015 , 03:42 PM

#116

ZKesic

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OP was banned because of this angle shoot. Serves him right.

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03-23-2015 , 07:38 PM

#117

Ace Jackoff

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He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.
He made a poor decision. I won the pot.

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03-23-2015 , 08:03 PM

#118

lebron_cramps

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Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 970

Having him show me the Ace would just put me on mega tilt. I wouldn't be able to bluff at it cause i never give guys credit for making folds of trip aces, especially after he tells you he has at least trip aces. It would however probably be the end of my night. Nothing like having the guy show you the ace and check it down loose only to have someone pull the same move out 35 minutes later.

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03-23-2015 , 10:17 PM

#119

PhillyEagles9

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 628

Hope the "op is a scumbag" thing is just ppl trolling him.

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03-24-2015 , 05:20 AM

#120

DjSkyy

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solid bump

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03-24-2015 , 05:33 AM

#121

snakeman221

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 249

Yeah k10 6x preflop seems weird for online players but live it usually works well. Often the flop will be aqj and then u will have nuts. This doesnt happen very often online.

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03-24-2015 , 03:53 PM

#122

balooko31

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Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 624

Top 5 scumbags in this scummy thread:

5. Player in Seat 3 - should have called floor over to to rat out OP's scumbag move and have OP immediately 86'd
4. The waitress - for not pouring every drink OP ordered on his blatantly obvious scumbag head
3. Everyone defending OP - almost bigger scumbags than OP
2. OP - huge scumbag
1. OP's Fourth Grade teacher - for not teaching the difference between ethics and being a huge scumbag

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03-24-2015 , 04:40 PM

#123

Davino

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Originally Posted by Breanne1

this thread is ****ing stupid. Op is not a scumbag.

this x 1000

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03-24-2015 , 04:42 PM

#124

PhillyEagles9

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Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 628

I want one person who is calling him a scumbag to answer this question: if this is such a scummy move on his part then why should I not flip over my hand every time I want to check down after the turn?

I don't care how long the two of them were at a table together, if you are not playing to win each hand against the guy, you should not be at the same table, because that is collusion.

Everybody has times on the river when they know they are beat and the only way they can win is with a bluff. Why is this guy not allowed to make that play just because the other guy decided to show him an A?

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03-24-2015 , 05:02 PM

#125

the_tubapol

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Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 356

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Originally Posted by PhillyEagles9

Everybody has times on the river when they know they are beat and the only way they can win is with a bluff. Why is this guy not allowed to make that play just because the other guy decided to show him an A?

Because live poker is a social game played by gentlemen for whom honor should be even more important than winning money.

That's why you don't slowroll, you don't lie about your holdings, and when your in OP's position you check it down.

If you want to be an antisocial angling dirty ****bag then go play online, leave real poker for gentlemen.

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