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05-26-2011 , 10:27 AM
love the gangster ass scottish lingo
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05-26-2011 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Derk
Went back and made $550 bucks. Thats a nice breath.

First I dropped 150 from my remaining 550 when I got there. I took out 200 more and I barely lost a pot since. Alright well nobody gives a **** so ill stop writing already
Keep Gamboling You can make it all back and then some!

Good Luck!

Only Losers Quit!
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05-26-2011 , 12:00 PM
AC is expensive to stay in with that roll unless you're at the HoJo
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05-26-2011 , 12:30 PM
I got a job dealing at the WSOP in 08. I was a diamond card player w/ harrahs and got free rooms for almost a 1.5 months by using every offer i had. Stayed w/ friends here and there. Worked my ass off dealing and playing and built up about 10k. I then fked it all off shootin craps in 2 days and went home w/ about 1k. The wife was not happy.

The worst was when I went to vegas and was up about 13k. I was flying on stand-by and couldn't get a flight out so i stayed 2 more days. Lost the 13k and 8k more. Called my mom and told her just buy me a flight and get me the fk outta here. That was brutal. Of course i'm going to vegas next week for 8 days w/ for the WSOP. NO DICE
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05-26-2011 , 12:31 PM
Crap is so boring imo...
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05-26-2011 , 01:17 PM
reading some stories here not sure mine gonna fit cos of the amt. of money but lets try.

friend of mine lost 2,5$ on roulette. wanted to win it back so he just started to dump money into the machine. at one point he was down 300$. than the roulette finally started to release some, he won back like 280, so he still could quit with a loss of 25-30$, but instead of that he kept playing, cos he wanted to leave the place being up and ended the day down over 600$, pretty much every money he had with him.
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05-31-2011 , 12:48 AM
Hi guys. Not sure if anyone remembers me, but i wanted to follow up on my story (quoted below from this thread i posted like a year ago) Unfortunately, things have gotten much worse. I was saving money by letting my dad hold onto my unemployment checks and waiting to move out of state to get back in school and get financial aid refunds. Well 2 weeks before im supposed to leave, hes on vacation for 5 days. so of course i get my U.E. check during that time and i cant resist and i blow it at the track. Figuring i have to get this back like an idiot, i pick the lock on his bedroom door and carefully open his safe (he told me the combo like 15 years ago in case of emergency and i remembered somehow) and proceeded to take my savings of 1800 in there in cash. went to the boat, blew it all.
of course theres like another 2200 in there. ding ding ding. figure i'll use that to get the money back and put it all back before he gets home and everything will be peachy. went to the boat, lost 600 on the 1st bac shoe, pit boss told me i should cool off and maybe think about playing BJ and comeback. so i said yeah what the hell. lose 900 in BJ playing 2 hands $25 each in 20 minutes. go back to bac mega-tilting and lose remaining 700 so pissed that i wasnt even recording the hands on the scorecard. so 4k+. threw up in casino parking garage at 4am, almost drove off the highway b/c i wanted to kill myself. eventually i tell him what happened and he practically beat the f*ck outta me. said he never wanted to see me again, actually gave me a grand and told me leave the next day.
so i actually find an apartment somehow, using part of his grand and my financial aid refund check to pay for it.........

FastForward til now, and every months been a struggle, i've never stopped gambling, horses, casinos, online sports books, etc. I've borrowed thousands from family and friends, took out 15 payday loans in december that i never paid back so my chase bank account is negative 3000 now and those f*ckers call me every day, my directv got shutoff, cant borrow or get a loan from anywhere or anyone, electric is scheduled to get shutoff in 2 days (2 months behidn and already received 2 extensions), rent is due in 2 days also $722 dont know how the **** to pay it, cell phone got shutoff yesterday (2 mo's behind) so alls i have to connect to the world is this ****ty neighbors wifi. Thank God for food stamps, at least that keeps me eating. Im the worst of the worst and i've never thought more about killing myself in the last 7 days or so then ever before in my whole life. I've thought about robbing a bank. 3 months ago when i still had another bank account i wrote a bad check to myself and ATM-deposited it for 800 dollars, took the 200 out that cleared asap, then next day called other bank and put stop payment on the check to get the 800 back. im so ****ed up. i just did "bathtub laundry" 2 hours ago, because i dont even have $1.75 in quarters.

even worse: lost my ****ty job at kmart making min wage 2 months ago b/c i was at casino at 6am instead of work trying to hustle late march rent money.
even worse: at the same time the alternator went bad on my car and my dad wired me $500 western union to fix it.
even worse:2 weeks later trans died on the car (dont ever buy old Kia's!!!) and i had to junk it.

beats: still gambling, life even more f'd then whats in my original quoted post below, bout to get evicted (again), no car, no job, cant get any more loans from friends/family, phone/electric/tv shutoff, extreme suicidal thoughts

brags: b/c phone got shutoff i wont get 27+ calls a day from collectors, food stamps got renewed last month and they increased me from $99 to $200

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ok 1st post guys, couldnt resist this thread. My degenning prbly started when my dad used to take me to the horse track when i was 16. I quickly became hooked and since you only had to be 17 to gamble at the track, i quickly started blowing paychecks and maxing out ATM daily limits. Once i started college, instead of being at class I'd be at the track. Never really won anything big, a few times I had some near 5k wins (woulda been a lot for me at the time). Anyways so this is pretty much destroying my life, u know the whole lying to family & g-friend, maxing out C-cards w/cash advances, overdrawing bank account etc. I musta been stuck about 30k from age 17-21. @21 of course I added the casino to my list of hobbies. Craps, BJ, and even video poker. Had mild success but mostly losses thru about a year of playing.

Now, here comes the COMPLETE TRAIN WRECK. So after always blowing off g-friend, she breaks up w/me (together for 5 years). I dont care at the time & am only thinking about gambling, still going to the boats and track. By now I'm so far in debt and working at sh**ty min wage job I decide to do a 'smart' thing and withdraw from college the 1st week (I was a senior going into this final year...bye bye education). I got a refund check of about 5k. I feel like a baller as I proceed to go every day to the boat with the money and playing in the high limit baccarat room. The 1st day was almost a disaster as on the way there about 8am I approached a toll plaza and 'thought' that I had seen the gate go up after throwing the coins in. Well with the sun shining directly in my face, I proceed to drive through. Problem: the gate never went up, and I smashed right through it leaving a big yellow smattering of paint across my windshield. Im so scared that I get off at the nearest exit and proceed to the casino through side streets and thought for sure I was gonna get pulled over or somethin. So maybe this was a bad sign of things to come b/c i kid u not from buying in w/5k betting 100/200/300 a hand i was left with $350. To make a long story short, after 12 hours I make a miraculous comeback and end up winning about 800 for the day (this included a $500 Lay against the 10 on the dice table that hit on the 1st roll lol). I proceed to go back 3 days in a row w/my whole roll and win between 500-1000 each day. Finally the 4th day I'm getting killed, mega-tilting, and proceed to blow the whole roll betting 500, 800, even 1000 a hand. It was so pathetic that when i was down to my last couple hundred I had 'check-changed' for red chips. The pitboss comps me and my friend a whole pizza afterwards. Most expensive $7500 freakin pizza i've ever eaten in my life. Only thing I wanted to do was drive off the expressway exit ramp into this giant quarry that was there. My dad finds out, kicks me out of the house, and now i'm homeless staying in motel 6's in run down areas b/c theyre only like 28 bucks a night and i had a tiny bit of room on my credit cards. Every night i pulled out my bottle of vodka and a pocket knife and i would contemplate that 'thought'. Finally my mom takes me in and i get a job (o i forgot to mention that when i dropped outta school, i got fired from my job for not showing up b/c i was at the boat from like 8pm til 11am). Oh and top of all this my dad convinces me to file for bankruptcy b/c im in mega c-card debt and they were all comin after me for collections and court proceedings. Do any of u know anyone that filed for bankruptcy at 21????

So now livin w/mom i decide to join the world of online poker. (I had just lost $5000 to my bookie on NCAA BB that I never paid off so I was chasing that with poker) B/c this is so long already i'll just try to summarize. Here is a quick list of the pokers sites i played and what happened to me on them....Paradise - banned b/c I wrote multiple bad echecks thru fire pay. Pacific - banned myself from losing too much. Absolute - banned myself after mulitple poker losses and losing paycheck in 30 minutes on the blackjack. Party Poker - ran BJ up to $12,000 and lost it all in the next night. Banned myself. Bodog- banned b/c they say I bounced an echeck.
Then I started doing bad things at my job to fund my poker/casino/horse habit. I started 'borrowing' the closing deposit from my work. The 1st time I had almost lost it playing BJ at the boat but got lucky to get it back and break even. Not learning that I almost had a disaster, the very next night I did it again and lost the whole deposit (like $1200). I had to tell my dad and he gave me the money to put in the store's bank so that no one would find out the next day at closing. So now i'm chasing again and decide to take a title loan on my car for 1500. Lose that at the track an hour later. F*ck!! Why am i so degen?! Mom kicks me out b/c of my gambling and dad takes me back in. I take out 2nd title loan and payday loan to pay off the 1st so i dont lose my p.o.s. car to the repo men. Now i'm really chasing so i start writing 'credit card checks' to myself w/the new post-bankruptcy credit card i got and take the $ out before it gets denied. Did this 3 days in a row and blew all the money at the track each day. C-card gets shutdown after this as well as bank being negative 800.

I finally move away and get back into school for 2 classes so that i could get a financial aid refund of like 5k. The 1st week im a good boy and pay bills and dont gamble. But sure enough i get on a huge BJ rush at the casino. Up like 2200 in 4 days. 5th day i go to the OTB (off track betting for horses) IDK why i did, but i went busto there. So pissed, i proceed to blow my 5k student aid refund chasing on BJ and baccarat. Get dropped from school b/c i stopped going getting F's in both classes (1st time in over 90 credits i ever got an F). I had so many comps on my casino card that I just ate meals there everyday since i had no $ to buy store-food. Eventually cable got shut off. Electric almost got shutoff until i echecked them and negged like 500 again in another bank. I evenutally ran outta comps and had to have mom send me oatmeal and other crap that i lived on. As a last chance before getting evicted i was invited to blackjack tournament w/108 ppl where top 7 got paid. 1st got 10k, 2nd 2500, etc. I finished 6th b/c 2 guys below me in $$ passed me on final hand. 1st guy doubles down on 14 (vs a 3 up card) and gets a 6, 2nd guy splits 10's and gets a another 10 and a 2; he splits the 10s again and gets another 10 and stays, and he doubles on the 12 and gets a 7 to make 19. So I take $250 for 6th place, 4th and 5th got 750 each. My rent was $750, due in 4 days. B*tch! So I take the 250 to the bacarrat table tryin to get to 750 and i get to about 625 before mega cooler and ultimately go broke. I get evicted eventually. I am now 27 living in dads basement completely broke, collecting 111/week unemployment and 99/month food stamps in mega debt w/credit score of probably negative-something and collectors calling me 17 times a day. I have also put on about 45 lbs from depression. FML



Beats (the bad ones): lost 5-year g-friend, bankruptcy at 21, mega student loan debt, college career f'd, lost 12k party poker BJ in 1 night, 7500 lost on baccarat in 1 day, multiple bank accounts overdrawn, almost got car repo'd, evicted.

There is so much more but this already too long. Sorry guys for making it so long. And I wish like some of the other stories on here I coulda captured my emotions better through all those times. O and I'll mention 1 more thing. During 2 days in my APT the casino gave away free apple pies for video poker play. I had no comps at the time or $ for store-food (f'ing degen me i'd rather use my last $1.25 for a spin on video poker than for a box of macaroni and cheese at the store). So for 2 days straight I ate apple pie for breakfast lunch and dinner. And I didnt have any freakin milk.
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05-31-2011 , 12:52 AM
oh and i'll apologize to all the TL;DR ppl in advance, but most of the posters praised my original story and told me to feel free to post or share any other experiences i had.
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05-31-2011 , 01:11 AM
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I say bad idea broheim, Tams a fkn snake if the **** hit’s the fan heel dump u like a fkn chick with missing front teeth.
lol
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05-31-2011 , 01:16 AM
nice post, gl and hang in there... look for a job too thats the most important thing you can do... maaybe live in your car for a while 2
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05-31-2011 , 03:29 AM
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nice post, gl and hang in there... look for a job too thats the most important thing you can do... maaybe live in your car for a while 2
not sure if ur referring to me but in my updated post i said that my car had to be junked. so i dont even have that. guess thats what im scared about the most is that whatever stuff i do have i will lose it once im on the streets. and i cant afford any storage fees -- if i was even able to carry all my stuff with me.

lifes just too ****ing hard, unless a miracle happens i just want to end it
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05-31-2011 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
not sure if ur referring to me but in my updated post i said that my car had to be junked. so i dont even have that. guess thats what im scared about the most is that whatever stuff i do have i will lose it once im on the streets. and i cant afford any storage fees -- if i was even able to carry all my stuff with me.

lifes just too ****ing hard, unless a miracle happens i just want to end it
I know it's harder than it sounds, but you have to avoid going to any place where there's gambling. That means no boat, no casino, no track, no otb, no anywhere. It helps once you understand that these games that you're playing are designed for you to lose. So even if you do manage to win, you're really only borrowing the money til you lose it the next time. So how do you stop losing? Simple, you stop betting. See, they allow you to gamble not
because they're your friendly neighborhood casino. Rather, they encourage you to gamble because they know you will lose your money. So the only way you can actually win is by not gambling.

I also don't think it would hurt to join a support group. You need to approach this like it's a disease, and the only way to survive is by winning each day, one day at a time. And how do you win? By not gambling. I hope you get help.
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05-31-2011 , 05:32 AM
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I know it's harder than it sounds, but you have to avoid going to any place where there's gambling. That means no boat, no casino, no track, no otb, no anywhere. It helps once you understand that these games that you're playing are designed for you to lose. So even if you do manage to win, you're really only borrowing the money til you lose it the next time. So how do you stop losing? Simple, you stop betting. See, they allow you to gamble not
because they're your friendly neighborhood casino. Rather, they encourage you to gamble because they know you will lose your money. So the only way you can actually win is by not gambling.

I also don't think it would hurt to join a support group. You need to approach this like it's a disease, and the only way to survive is by winning each day, one day at a time. And how do you win? By not gambling. I hope you get help.
thank you sir for looking out. my problem is that i always think it is too late to do everything you are saying. and then it usually is. i'll be so far and hopeless that i think gambling is the only way to solve the thousands of overwhelming problems. if i manage not to kill myself and somehow make it one day, i hope this demon will disappear. sometimes i even contemplate getting an exorcism b/c i truly believe i am possessed.
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05-31-2011 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
thank you sir for looking out. my problem is that i always think it is too late to do everything you are saying. and then it usually is. i'll be so far and hopeless that i think gambling is the only way to solve the thousands of overwhelming problems. if i manage not to kill myself and somehow make it one day, i hope this demon will disappear. sometimes i even contemplate getting an exorcism b/c i truly believe i am possessed.
Go to gamblers anonymous meetings immediately. I don't understand why you haven't done this sooner. You will meet people who will have done far worse than this and overcome it which means there is no reason you can't to.
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05-31-2011 , 10:05 AM
STLNolaWoj, have a yard sale (sidewalk sale, whatever). Sell as much of your stuff as possible that you can live without (and I mean LIVE without like TV, laptop and stereo). Use that money to pay some of your bills, starting with your rent and electric. Then, get a job. Your problems will start to fix themselves. After selling a lot of your stuff you'll definitely be bored from time to time. My suggestion would be to find the nearest library and start reading. Or find a hobby that is NOT gambling but is also cheap (even if it's just exercising). You have an addictive personality and need to find a diversion to get over your gambling problem.
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05-31-2011 , 10:11 AM
I don't mean to derail a great thread that should be fun telling degen stories, but one thing I've learned about being a degen that I want to share with those who are up **** creek.

You aren't up **** creek as a bad as you THINK you are. you can always go worse. And often, the scare of being in a big problem is what allows you to go into deeper problems. It's like a panic mode. But looking back, I recall being more "scared" of being in too far and thats what drove me to do worse. I got pretty bad at some points, I've dug my way out of the hole to be in a pretty good place now.

I guess my point is its hard to judge where your rock bottom point is, and sometimes thinking you are lower than you are causes more problems than its worth. You gotta develop a sense of pride and comfort that things can get better without having to gamble your way out, or that disaster ISN'T looming around the corner. It might be around 8 corners and not hte next, so don't head in that direction.

I hope this makes sense.
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05-31-2011 , 10:14 AM
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thank you sir for looking out. my problem is that i always think it is too late to do everything you are saying. and then it usually is. i'll be so far and hopeless that i think gambling is the only way to solve the thousands of overwhelming problems. if i manage not to kill myself and somehow make it one day, i hope this demon will disappear. sometimes i even contemplate getting an exorcism b/c i truly believe i am possessed.
hey stop bitching. be glad youve even had the chance to blow all your money online and at casinos. your better off then most of this world. learn from it, go get a job, and then when your straightened out get back on the grind.
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05-31-2011 , 10:38 AM
I was 20 years old and had about 20 thousand to my name. Well I decided to take a little trip to Vegas, staying at the MGM under my cousin Chuckie's name. Chuckie and I looked alot alike and he was only a couple years older so the id scam worked perfectly, he gave me an old debit card for a 2nd id so it worked like a charm. My initial thought was I would stay for around 5 days and leave Vegas with about 100k, bang a couple strippers, drink a few beers and live it up. Little did I know I would blow all the money I had in my pocket 24 hours later. A total of 11k in 24 hours. Well no biggie I thought, I called my dad in the a.m. and had him WU me another 6k. Astonished at first, he asks me how I got to Vegas? ( i told him i was going to the casino, not the mgm) How much ive blown? and if i was out of my ****ing mind? Well with a little convincing, he ended up sending me the 6k and i was good to go! I took it easy for the first couple of hours, played a little poker, roulette, bj and before I knew it.... I was calling my dad collect because I was dead broke (didn't even have a quarter for the pay phone) 6 hours after him transferring me 6k. Ah who cares I still had 3k at home to get me through the next 2 days.

Well to make this long story a little shorter, it was a long walk that night from the MGM Grand, down the Strip, Past Fremont St. into North Vegas to the Salvation Army Homeless Shelter. My father refused to send me another dollar, or pay for a hotel room. He wanted me to feel the pain of being broke, the feeling of having no one there to help me. He promised that if I made it through the night he would help me out tomorrow.
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05-31-2011 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
thank you sir for looking out. my problem is that i always think it is too late to do everything you are saying. and then it usually is. i'll be so far and hopeless that i think gambling is the only way to solve the thousands of overwhelming problems. if i manage not to kill myself and somehow make it one day, i hope this demon will disappear. sometimes i even contemplate getting an exorcism b/c i truly believe i am possessed.
100% agree with Vexed. Stop everything else and get to Gamblers Anonymous. What you describe is a CLASSIC addiction. As bad as any alcoholic or drug addict...i.e. although you know it's ruining your life, you "know" gambling is the only answer to your problems, so you keep going back there. Addicts minds are re-wired this way. You can stop. But you need help. GA is the exact resource to go to. Please do it. (I have a close loved one who has been fighting addiction, and have met people who have both lost their lives and turned their lives around.) GA, like AA and NA, is the way out.

I don't mean to be preachy, but your life is at stake. Good Luck. I am rooting for you.
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05-31-2011 , 11:34 AM
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I was 20 years old and had about 20 thousand to my name. Well I decided to take a little trip to Vegas, staying at the MGM under my cousin Chuckie's name. Chuckie and I looked alot alike and he was only a couple years older so the id scam worked perfectly, he gave me an old debit card for a 2nd id so it worked like a charm. My initial thought was I would stay for around 5 days and leave Vegas with about 100k, bang a couple strippers, drink a few beers and live it up. Little did I know I would blow all the money I had in my pocket 24 hours later. A total of 11k in 24 hours. Well no biggie I thought, I called my dad in the a.m. and had him WU me another 6k. Astonished at first, he asks me how I got to Vegas? ( i told him i was going to the casino, not the mgm) How much ive blown? and if i was out of my ****ing mind? Well with a little convincing, he ended up sending me the 6k and i was good to go! I took it easy for the first couple of hours, played a little poker, roulette, bj and before I knew it.... I was calling my dad collect because I was dead broke (didn't even have a quarter for the pay phone) 6 hours after him transferring me 6k. Ah who cares I still had 3k at home to get me through the next 2 days.

Well to make this long story a little shorter, it was a long walk that night from the MGM Grand, down the Strip, Past Fremont St. into North Vegas to the Salvation Army Homeless Shelter. My father refused to send me another dollar, or pay for a hotel room. He wanted me to feel the pain of being broke, the feeling of having no one there to help me. He promised that if I made it through the night he would help me out tomorrow.
ur dad is legit
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05-31-2011 , 11:41 AM
is there a thread where we dont tell LOL degen stories and get serious, talking about actual problems and GA/etc? i want to subscribe to it if it exists. bc telling funny dgen stories is worthy too imo... threads should be separate.
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05-31-2011 , 12:44 PM
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Well to make this long story a little shorter, it was a long walk that night from the MGM Grand, down the Strip, Past Fremont St. into North Vegas to the Salvation Army Homeless Shelter. My father refused to send me another dollar, or pay for a hotel room. He wanted me to feel the pain of being broke, the feeling of having no one there to help me. He promised that if I made it through the night he would help me out tomorrow.
The whole night? Your dad should have told you at least 7 days so you'd know what it's like to not have anywhere to turn. A night is nothing! You could literally drink the night away for free in Vegas or if you're social enough, hook up with a group of rich partiers and get some cash off them. Not difficult.
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05-31-2011 , 02:20 PM
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hey stop bitching. be glad youve even had the chance to blow all your money online and at casinos. your better off then most of this world. learn from it, go get a job, and then when your straightened out get back on the grind.
not sure if you read my 2 previous long posts. but you are right in one sense there are plenty worse off but on the other hand im in a pretty bad situation. im sure you're no where near being close to 100k in debt (including a bankruptcy), having every single one of your family members hate you, stolen from family, friends, and even jobs, having committed countless acts of bank/cc/wire fraud, having no car, no job, and are about to be homeless with no money and being 1000 miles away from anyone you know that possibly could help you. "getting back on the grind" is not the answer imo. i always used to think it was and thats probably why im where im at right now.

i know its my fault for those things but salami im guessing u've never done most of those things so i can understand its hard to put yourself in someones shoes like mine
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05-31-2011 , 02:24 PM
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STLNolaWoj, have a yard sale (sidewalk sale, whatever). Sell as much of your stuff as possible that you can live without (and I mean LIVE without like TV, laptop and stereo). Use that money to pay some of your bills, starting with your rent and electric. Then, get a job. Your problems will start to fix themselves. After selling a lot of your stuff you'll definitely be bored from time to time. My suggestion would be to find the nearest library and start reading. Or find a hobby that is NOT gambling but is also cheap (even if it's just exercising). You have an addictive personality and need to find a diversion to get over your gambling problem.
appreciate the advice, honestly i dont have much to sell. my tv is one of those old ones, i have a desktop pc from like 2004, and i've already sold everything i owned last year when i got in this situation. also without a car its kinda hard to go places so i get holed up in my apt and thats when a lot of the itches come. but yes i agree 100% i need something to take my attention away. just wish i didnt pick the louisiana summer to be homeless!
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05-31-2011 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by STLNolaWoj
not sure if you read my 2 previous long posts. but you are right in one sense there are plenty worse off but on the other hand im in a pretty bad situation. im sure you're no where near being close to 100k in debt (including a bankruptcy), having every single one of your family members hate you, stolen from family, friends, and even jobs, having committed countless acts of bank/cc/wire fraud, having no car, no job, and are about to be homeless with no money and being 1000 miles away from anyone you know that possibly could help you. "getting back on the grind" is not the answer imo. i always used to think it was and thats probably why im where im at right now.

i know its my fault for those things but salami im guessing u've never done most of those things so i can understand its hard to put yourself in someones shoes like mine
yea i did read the 2 posts. and yes it does sound pretty extreme. BUT this is all your own fault, you speak like you know it and how to sort yourself out yet you do nothing about it. so the blames all yours and i have no sympathy. Get off this website and forum and stop "bitching" when you can either carry on in your depressive state or sort yourself out. Your still young, its not the end of the line man. GL

and yes i was kinda in the same place, not as bad, nowhere near as bad but i was definitely experienceing the asme feelings as you, and the only way you will change is by changing. its all you..

first step get a job - 2nd step, pay back your family and friends who you were real close with and sincerely apoligise. after that it should all fall into place

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