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 08-01-2012, 02:37 AM #31 banned     Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hoochie Coochie Land Posts: 1,324 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? In the meantime, HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN ANYONE DO THIS? Because ... it's smart. And I may be the first person to figure it out. I'm not saying it's never been done before, but there is a math problem that will give you a percentage, where this move is +EV. Can only be done in a live game, of course.
 08-01-2012, 02:46 AM #32 banned     Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hoochie Coochie Land Posts: 1,324 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? Let's rate a few things: R=Risk of being felted C = Chance of doubling up X = Percent chance to win the hand Your stack vs. opponents stack is not important really, assume opponent has you covered. I am not math smart enough to come up with the formula, but that's a start.
 08-01-2012, 02:47 AM #33 journeyman   Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 253 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? The exact number depends on his hand but if you assume you're an 80% favorite and ignore the blinds the number is 60% or 3/5ths of the shorter stack. They put in 3/5ths you push all in (5/5ths) for a total of 8/5ths in the pot and 2/5ths to call or 4:1 pot odds. So if he raises 60% of your stack or more he is getting the correct odds to call and you want him to fold. You may be the first to come up with that idea but it counts on your opponent making a huge raise, you having aces, and your opponent making an incorrect fold when he knows your cards.
 08-01-2012, 02:49 AM #34 banned     Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hoochie Coochie Land Posts: 1,324 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? When ppl start doing this I expect a percentage, too.
08-01-2012, 02:52 AM   #35
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Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces?

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 Originally Posted by stindonk The exact number depends on his hand but if you assume you're an 80% favorite and ignore the blinds the number is 60% or 3/5ths of the shorter stack. They put in 3/5ths you push all in (5/5ths) for a total of 8/5ths in the pot and 2/5ths to call or 4:1 pot odds. So if he raises 60% of your stack or more he is getting the correct odds to call and you want him to fold. You may be the first to come up with that idea but it counts on your opponent making a huge raise, you having aces, and your opponent making an incorrect fold when he knows your cards.
That sounds right. I trust your math. I will add this to my arsenal as a potential legit move in a cash game. It's not an angle shoot, and I wouldn't feel bad about doing it, in the right situation.

Guy is tanking. "You wanna see my cards? Here ya go, I got aces."

Would be legendary.

Sub-title of my future book, "Never lose with pocket aces again!"

 08-01-2012, 02:57 AM #36 Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: 3betting your face off Posts: 4,112 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? This need to be out of bbv
 08-01-2012, 03:39 AM #37 banned     Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hoochie Coochie Land Posts: 1,324 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? It's not strat. It's math.
 08-01-2012, 06:32 AM #38 old hand     Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Making 5* Threads 4* Posts: 1,262 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? Lol at anyone taking this thread seriously
 08-01-2012, 07:59 AM #39 adept     Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Travelling EU, US and UAE Posts: 1,148 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? This is from my last session last week. I am in MP in a 2/3 live full ring game and raise to \$15. 2 callers behind, BB calls. Ended up b/shove the flop and bb calls: The result: Spoiler: /rant
08-01-2012, 08:18 AM   #40
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Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces?

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 Originally Posted by spooner90 This is from my last session last week. I am in MP in a 2/3 live full ring game and raise to \$15. 2 callers behind, BB calls. Ended up b/shove the flop and bb calls: The result: Spoiler: /rant
Wow, you had less than 100% equity and lost, what an amazing outcome!

 08-01-2012, 08:48 AM #41 adept   Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: London Town Posts: 732 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? Genuinely lost with 9 out of 10, with the one winner being a walk in the BB Beat and a brag. Thread's a turd though.
 08-01-2012, 11:41 AM #42 grinder   Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 480 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? Hehe suckers, I 4bet shoved pre with A5 against AA last week in a home game. Ofc board was 5577x, because THAT'S JUST HOW I ROLL, BABY!
08-01-2012, 11:50 AM   #43
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Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces?

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 Originally Posted by stindonk He's opening with a raise of 24x the BB? Edit: Also, you technically want him to call in the above situation. You're just being results oriented because you lost that time.
How can you have a BBV forum without being results-oriented?

 08-01-2012, 02:00 PM #44 centurion   Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 110 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? allin pre np
 08-01-2012, 02:34 PM #45 adept     Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: I am Americand I never give up Posts: 1,048 Re: Challenge! How many times in a row can you lose with aces? Why the **** would you ever show aces pre after you shove? The other guy is thinking about giving you an 80% chance at worst to win his whole stack and then you show him he's beat? Do you coach?

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