In the meantime, HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN ANYONE DO THIS?

Because ... it's smart. And I may be the first person to figure it out. I'm not saying it's never been done before, but there is a math problem that will give you a percentage, where this move is +EV.

Can only be done in a live game, of course.

Let's rate a few things:

R=Risk of being felted
C = Chance of doubling up
X = Percent chance to win the hand

Your stack vs. opponents stack is not important really, assume opponent has you covered.

I am not math smart enough to come up with the formula, but that's a start.

The exact number depends on his hand but if you assume you're an 80% favorite and ignore the blinds the number is 60% or 3/5ths of the shorter stack. They put in 3/5ths you push all in (5/5ths) for a total of 8/5ths in the pot and 2/5ths to call or 4:1 pot odds. So if he raises 60% of your stack or more he is getting the correct odds to call and you want him to fold.

You may be the first to come up with that idea but it counts on your opponent making a huge raise, you having aces, and your opponent making an incorrect fold when he knows your cards.

When ppl start doing this I expect a percentage, too.

That sounds right. I trust your math. I will add this to my arsenal as a potential legit move in a cash game. It's not an angle shoot, and I wouldn't feel bad about doing it, in the right situation.

Guy is tanking. "You wanna see my cards? Here ya go, I got aces."

Would be legendary.

Sub-title of my future book, "Never lose with pocket aces again!"

This need to be out of bbv

It's not strat. It's math.

Lol at anyone taking this thread seriously

This is from my last session last week. I am in MP in a 2/3 live full ring game and raise to $15. 2 callers behind, BB calls. Ended up b/shove the flop and bb calls:



The result:


/rant

Wow, you had less than 100% equity and lost, what an amazing outcome!

Genuinely lost with 9 out of 10, with the one winner being a walk in the BB

Beat and a brag.

Thread's a turd though.

Hehe suckers, I 4bet shoved pre with A5 against AA last week in a home game.
Ofc board was 5577x, because THAT'S JUST HOW I ROLL, BABY!

How can you have a BBV forum without being results-oriented?

allin pre
np

Why the **** would you ever show aces pre after you shove? The other guy is thinking about giving you an 80% chance at worst to win his whole stack and then you show him he's beat? Do you coach?