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12-11-2009, 11:40 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: we're not enemies, we just disagree
Posts: 19,609
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
BW -
Your strategy posts are more valuable than the rest of the strat posts on the whole of 2+2 combined. They are so good that I wish you'd stop. Awesome results though, gl in the future.
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12-11-2009, 11:41 AM
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#153
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 396
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
boywonder, can you please describe some specific things i can do to prevent my emotional conditioning from getting worse in a session?
one you mentioned is to take a breath before a big decision. what can i do to remain stable throughout the many smaller decisions throughout the session. one of my problems is that when my emotional condition starts to worsen, there will be a disconnect from my fingers and my brain. so when i know i should fold, i'll call or even worse raise. do you meditate? yoga? any books worth reading that could help?
thanks
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12-11-2009, 11:46 AM
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#154
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 423
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by boywonder
Very good question, but a hard one to answer as I don't follow much of the highstakes action (apart from recently) and don't really have any pokerfriends.
However, you can find inspiration outside of poker by looking at others who work very hard and reach their goals. In this category there are so many inspirations that i wouldn't know where to start.
Also a comment on the recent highstakes action, pretty much the only action that I´ve been following in regards to the nosebleeds, is the fascinating battle between the obvious superior talent of Isildur1 and the mental advantage of the rest of the nosebleeds community (Ivey, Antonius, Townsend, etc).
As much as I root for a guy like Isildur1, the end result was all too inevitable. However, if the word inspiring is not right I did find him to be a fascinating player in that he turned the nosebleed community upside down and perhaps gave some of these guys a taste of the talent that is out there.
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You say that the results of Isildur's demise were inevitable but I disagree. Isildur was doing fine until the cardrunners guys started teaming up against him. Even though he might lose 2 million to PA/whatever today , he can possibly regain it over time . But PA, CTS and Hastings + whoever basically discussed everything together and even sold pieces of them self to each other wihle playing against Isildur. That's how the corporation beat Andy Beal as well. When you are up against a bunch of people that share your leaks/tendencies then you are at a huge disadvantage no matter how skilled you are and too bad that most of the poker community strutured this way.
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12-11-2009, 11:47 AM
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#155
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 419
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by Nibster
You've obviously killed all stakes up to NL1000. Just wondering why you are moving up so slow. With your winrate I'm guessing you could beat NL2000 or even NL5000. Do you have a rule to play a certain number of hands at each limit?
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Not really anymore, I move up when I feel that it's time, and it's hard to quantify why I feel that but at some point I usually start opening another table of a higher limit, then another, and in usually 4 to 5 days all my tables are of that limit, and I don't go back down. That's been the way I've done it through every limit between 50 and 1000 NL.
Because of the bumhunting aspect of the game the 10-20 to 25-50 games run much more seldom, or when they do they are centered around a certain player and the wait lists can be tricky. These days, 5-10 is a sweetspot where the stakes are significant, they don't depend primarily on blind players under the age of 12, and there is an acceptable amount of action throughout all the sites.
In 2010 however, I will be making my way through some of the higher stakes and see how it goes. The impression I have of 10 - 20 is that the players are exactly the same as the 5 - 10 players except there is a poor player sitting at the table, but I could be wrong.
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12-11-2009, 11:57 AM
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#156
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 419
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by bleurain
boywonder, can you please describe some specific things i can do to prevent my emotional conditioning from getting worse in a session?
one you mentioned is to take a breath before a big decision. what can i do to remain stable throughout the many smaller decisions throughout the session. one of my problems is that when my emotional condition starts to worsen, there will be a disconnect from my fingers and my brain. so when i know i should fold, i'll call or even worse raise. do you meditate? yoga? any books worth reading that could help?
thanks
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I am guessing that you are referencing what I have discussed earlier:
The absolute most important thing when faced with a big decision, is to first breathe and relax for a couple of seconds.
Have you ever noticed when you get sucked into a hand? Like you have an overpair and you get raised on the turn, you know you´re beat, and beofre you know it you have called anyway? Or what i call the bluff-vortex, when you start with small flop raise, and before you know it you have fired three barrels and you´re all in and get snapcalled by the nuts? What the hell just happened? A 200 bb pot lost out of nowhere!!? If, at any point, you would have just stepped back, taken a breath and realized how little sense your line makes or how narrow his range must be, you would have saved a stack. When you look at it in retrospect, it is very clear to you. This alludes to my earlier point; most of you guys are fine when it comes to the technical aspects of the game, but you need to hone some of the mental and emotional ones.
The reason this happens to you is that you are, at the time of the hand, not in the hand. You are in the previous hand. Or at showdown. Wether you are in the future or the past, you are certainly not in the present. How else would you explain this? You are obviously not raecting to this situation. You are reacting to a previous one, or a percieved one, or a percieved future one.
I do meditate, and a purpose of meditation is to allow you to train on being focused on the here and now, this session, this hand, this opponent, this street, this action.
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12-11-2009, 12:03 PM
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#157
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Bradford
Posts: 5,586
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
gl boywonder hopefully to be seeing you chrushing the 2550 games running this name next year
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12-11-2009, 12:03 PM
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#158
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 419
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by FuriousWorld
You say that the results of Isildur's demise were inevitable but I disagree. Isildur was doing fine until the cardrunners guys started teaming up against him. Even though he might lose 2 million to PA/whatever today , he can possibly regain it over time . But PA, CTS and Hastings + whoever basically discussed everything together and even sold pieces of them self to each other wihle playing against Isildur. That's how the corporation beat Andy Beal as well. When you are up against a bunch of people that share your leaks/tendencies then you are at a huge disadvantage no matter how skilled you are and too bad that most of the poker community strutured this way.
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Perhaps you are right and i am not disagreeing with any of this, but the inevitability might have lied in the fact that sooner or later a group of dedicated, smart and experienced players would do to two things that they have a right to which is sharing action and discussing hands. Trust me, I rooted for Isildur1 just like everybody else, and if this is so obvious to everybody then it must have been obvious to him as well, at the time. Yet he continued to play. I hope and think that he will come back wiser, and it will be interesting to follow him the second time around.
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12-11-2009, 12:03 PM
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#159
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old hand
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,946
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
serious post:
Barry Greenstein says in his book specifically how important "sexual wellness" is to poker. The idea is that with the sexual energy drained from your mind, you can think more clearly and you can focus more on making the best decisions.
Wondering what your thoughts are on this (obviously in very general terms) and also how important you would say your relationship with your fiance is to your poker game. Have to imagine that the stability in your graphs has a lot to do with stability in your life and relationships going far back.
Thanks.
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12-11-2009, 12:07 PM
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#160
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 419
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by ac on
Also, what was it like to be up $100k about halfway through and know that you were still $50k below AIEV?
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It was nice to be up 100 K
Poker does not owe any of us anything, and I am constantly surprised by how many of us act as if though we were some type of supermen doing something superimportant and that we should be endlessly rewarded for it and if not, scold the earth and damn all kittens to hell.
In the end, most of us are a bunch of people that got very lucky to be at the right place, at the right time, and if nothing else we should stay humble about this. At least this goes for the great majority of the mid and high stakes community in my small experience.
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12-11-2009, 12:10 PM
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#161
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 419
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by Wht_Rbt
What do you look for when you go through your hands? Could you describe your process of reviewing hands?
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I start with imbalances, anything that I think looks weird or out of the norm. An example is a post from one of the other threads:
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Boywonder:
...realize that when they bet the turn, because of this manner of pot control that is so integral to their overall game plan, they will often have either air, a marginal hand or a monster. Exploit this lack of balance in their play
Question from Jack O Clubs:
I'm not trying to troll or quote mine but this makes no sense to me.
"air, a marginal hand or a monster" sounds like a well balanced range to me.
It´s actually not that well balanced since it rarely includes good but not great hands like top pair second kicker. It actually becomes polarized between air and nuts, since most of these guys are not confident enough to continue to a checkraise w e.g third pair or second pair. So the hands become polarized to either hands they can continue with always or never. I am not used to discussing strategy, hope I made this clear.
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12-11-2009, 12:19 PM
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#162
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veteran
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,636
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
how many % of players at 1/2 to 3/6 do you think actually have a solid postflop gave that goes all the way through the river.
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12-11-2009, 12:22 PM
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#163
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old hand
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Winterfell
Posts: 1,712
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by boywonder
It was nice to be up 100 K
Poker does not owe any of us anything, and I am constantly surprised by how many of us act as if though we were some type of supermen doing something superimportant and that we should be endlessly rewarded for it and if not, scold the earth and damn all kittens to hell.
In the end, most of us are a bunch of people that got very lucky to be at the right place, at the right time, and if nothing else we should stay humble about this. At least this goes for the great majority of the mid and high stakes community in my small experience.
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There is profound truth in this. Great post!
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12-11-2009, 01:03 PM
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#164
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veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: schnitzelkönig
Posts: 3,130
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
so sick, great achievement OP, grats!
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12-11-2009, 01:08 PM
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#165
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veteran
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,505
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Re: Brag: really beating the 6-max 1000 NL games
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Originally Posted by horse84
so sick, great achievement OP, grats!
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really this
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