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12-21-2009 , 05:47 PM
hi guys

i dont want to tell too much
just look at my following graphs

if important my stats are like that
vpip 23.5 pfr 20 wwsf 50 wtsd 28 wsd 51 af 3 afq 56 3bet 7 fold 4bet 73
atts 37 fbtosteal 74




roughly distributed
0-15k is nl100 hu then 6m
followed by 60k nl50
then nl25
later nl10








nl100 hu 6m graph obvs running good



nl50 6mand hu



nl 25 6m


nl10 6m



plo 50 6m1/3 plo100 6m 2/3



18 nl50
7 nl100
12 nl25
15 nl10
plo100/50 etwa 25
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so im down about 80 stacks in 190k hands just under ev
while i think ive been alot on the bad end of coolers
anything similar to this ever happened to one of u guys?
how did u proceed? could u grit your teeth and go on?

HF
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12-21-2009 , 06:15 PM
that's brutal
the plo 50 and 100 graph, what happened at 27k - 30k?
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12-21-2009 , 06:22 PM
doomswitch ;D

well u know the feeling when u cant get anything going right u bluff in wrong spots call in wrong get overset all time just running worse then u thought u could
well thats what poker feels for me for half an year now
its pain in the ass
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12-21-2009 , 07:01 PM
...you just suck at postflop play, clearly. Join a coaching site and work on your game. You can't consistently beat 100NL, 50NL, or 25NL for very much after that many hands? Lots of leaks to plug.
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12-21-2009 , 07:48 PM
obv u looked very close to graphs plus what i said, my stats etc
and articulated a well thought answer
thanks alot
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12-21-2009 , 07:57 PM
Just as another one said before me: Thats just brutal!

I dont know how I would cope with an EV luck like that, and I feel like I normally have the TILT problem under control. I think it would drive me nuts.

I hope your luck turns around!
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12-21-2009 , 08:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by T1waz
obv u looked very close to graphs plus what i said, my stats etc
and articulated a well thought answer
thanks alot
No one can give you any constructive advice just from graphs and a few stats.

You need a coach or to at least join a site like DC or CR etc.
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12-21-2009 , 08:30 PM
y i feel bad everytime i get it in wtih op vs tp i know i lose 60% + really sucks
but well i hope for 6 month now its turning
but well u know what goes up must come down so ill hope ill bounce it back

Last edited by T1waz; 12-21-2009 at 08:37 PM.
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12-21-2009 , 09:56 PM
Buddy...it's not about bouncing back. Although you may be down in EV, you're playing poorly as well. You're still down after all those hands even if you were running normally.
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12-21-2009 , 10:06 PM
do a malware search. if your unlucky it was done by people who really know what they are doing and you wont find anything. you may have been enslaved.

check my thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...please-664185/

please let me know what your current security setup is. do you just use an antivirus or do you use malware finders aswell like MBAM/SAS?

Last edited by SilentNoise; 12-21-2009 at 10:19 PM.
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12-22-2009 , 04:36 AM
@ durkada ill be happy if just the ev swings back
and as stated previously i think im runnning even worse in cold deck situation
but guess this is harder to prove so i wont bother much

@ silent thx for the advice im not sure if its possible but security can never hurt i guess
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12-22-2009 , 04:45 AM
Sick doomswitch but like previously mentioned, micro's aren't too hard to beat even in a doownswitch swing, look at how you can improve your own game instead of how bad you are running. That way you at least get some positive out of the downs.
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12-22-2009 , 04:50 AM
yes for sure its beatable
but i cant explain it alone with missing skill...
im former nl200 player and won there alot
i know my game changed but cant became that worse that now i lack then skill for micros
i assume that alone as answer is not satisfying enough for me
since over halfn year now i cant make anyhthing going
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12-22-2009 , 06:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by T1waz
yes for sure its beatable
but i cant explain it alone with missing skill...
im former nl200 player and won there alot
i know my game changed but cant became that worse that now i lack then skill for micros
i assume that alone as answer is not satisfying enough for me
since over halfn year now i cant make anyhthing going
its not an insult by durka.. his point is pretty clear.. your overall postflop may be good.. but if have leâks (sorry but you obv have) not the big but the small ones will coast you alot of money.

e.g. if you have serveral spots were you lose 0.1ptbb in the long run do to false math, false villain ranges etc it will sum up and reduce your winrate unnecessarily.

Obv a good coach will help you and exploit your leaks.
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12-22-2009 , 06:45 AM
Well, 80 BIs is a little something, but here's the real runbad - 200 BIs below EV in 400K hands:



Sry, I just can't resist the temptation to post that graph in every thread where ppl whine about being down a few stacks in All-in-EV...

...but GL OP, doomswitches always turn to boomswitches, just keep grinding.
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12-22-2009 , 06:53 AM
puke inducing graphs ITT
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12-22-2009 , 07:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentNoise
do a malware search. if your unlucky it was done by people who really know what they are doing and you wont find anything. you may have been enslaved.

check my thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...please-664185/

please let me know what your current security setup is. do you just use an antivirus or do you use malware finders aswell like MBAM/SAS?
enslaved ? what does that mean?
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12-22-2009 , 07:27 AM
DONOTWANT

Get drunk and grind after holidays, take maney etc
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12-22-2009 , 07:43 AM
The "runbad" people. Go to your graph, click the filter button, go to More Filters (this is for HEM, dunno about PT3), and add the filter "All-in on the turn (or earlier)" and then you can compare the blue and green lines.

I bet you don't run as bad as you think.
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12-22-2009 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Joker88
The "runbad" people. Go to your graph, click the filter button, go to More Filters (this is for HEM, dunno about PT3), and add the filter "All-in on the turn (or earlier)" and then you can compare the blue and green lines.
Same difference.
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12-22-2009 , 07:52 AM
Cant you just stick to 6 max ?
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12-22-2009 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Pummi81
Same difference.
Uhm, no. People keep comparing their all-in EV line to their total winnings line, not realizing (or not caring) that total winnings includes money put in on the river (where your EV is 100 or 0) and non-showdown winnings =\
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12-22-2009 , 09:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentNoise
do a malware search. if your unlucky it was done by people who really know what they are doing and you wont find anything. you may have been enslaved.

check my thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/39...please-664185/

please let me know what your current security setup is. do you just use an antivirus or do you use malware finders aswell like MBAM/SAS?
i just got a router firefox and antivir not very much ! ^^
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12-22-2009 , 09:28 AM
ok thx alot

but cant find on pt3 can sb tell me exactly what to do
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12-22-2009 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Joker88
Uhm, no. People keep comparing their all-in EV line to their total winnings line, not realizing (or not caring) that total winnings includes money put in on the river (where your EV is 100 or 0) and non-showdown winnings =\
Sry, ur wrong. Difference between winnings-line and all-in-EV-adjusted-winnings-line stays exactly same whether u graph all ur hands or only those hands where u were all-in on turn or earlier. All-in-adjusted-winnings-line always includes all the hands u chose to graph but for those hands where u were all-in on turn or earlier HEM uses ur EV instead of actual outcome. Ugh.
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