MODERATOR NOTE: This thread was intended to be the official betting thread for the 696969 hands at $100 nl/pl, but there was discussion between the parties about the fact that the prop bettor could play 6max and full ring. The bet then changed and currently this thread is the interest thread for a new bet being discussed: 669k+ hands @ $100nl full ring, 5:1 odds.



Prop Bet Overview:

Silent_0ne (Silent_0ne69 on PokerStars/FTP/MicroGaming) will play 696969+ hands at $100nl/pl and show a profit within 31 days. Silent_0ne is risking $1 for every $5 of those betting against.

Webcam URL: http://www.justin.tv/silent_0ne69


Prop Bet Escrow/Judge:

jalexand42 will be the judge and escrow for this bet. There is no prior relationship between jalexand42 and Silent_0ne, other than jalexand42 judging Silent_One's prior props. Judging will be done with the intent of enforcing fairness and the spirit of the rules as they are listed below (or adjusted based on bettor's agreement prior to the bet beginning). Jalexand42 will receive 1% of the total amount wagered in this bet as compensation for judging/escrow.



Rules for Silent_0ne:

1. Must play AT LEAST 696969 hands within 31 days.

2. Must show positive profit ($1+), NOT counting bonuses or rakeback.

3. All play must be on PokerStars.

4. All play must be at $100 nl/pl full ring and 6max tables. Euro tables will be allowed. Deep/ante tables will also be allowed. He can buy in for any amount at the deep/ante tables. He is allowed to play shorthanded at FR or 6m tables. Any play outside of these conditions (HU tables, etc.) will not count.

5. All play will be done under a webcam. Very limited intermittant interruptions in webcam will not be grounds for disqualification. In the event of a non-brief interruption in the webcam feed, play will stop until the webcam issue can be resolved. In the event that this issue is due to no fault of the prop bettor (webcam stream provider failure, etc.) then the judge can provide a short extension of the prop bet corresponding to the period where the bettor is not allowed to play due to lack of a web cam.

6. Silent_0ne69 is allowed to hide himself from search if desired to avoid being targetted.

7. All play must be in accordance with the intent of legitamite play. No chip dumping, collusion, ghosting, team play, etc. will be allowed. This does not include casual watching by friends, etc.

8. Will provide contact information to the Judge and individuals betting against (phone/skype/aim/msn) in case of emergencies/webcam issues.

9. Silent_0ne can quit at ANY time after hitting the hand goal and showing $1 in profit. If he hits the hand goal, but does not show a profit, he can continue to play until the 31 days is up to try to reach a profit.

10. Will request PokerStars provide all hand histories directly to the Judge.


Rules for individuals betting against Silent_0ne69:

1. Cannot play or induce others to sit and play against Silent_0ne69 UNLESS they are already a $100nl regular. Violations will result in the violator's action being forfeited and may result in additional modification/extention by the judge to neutralize the interference.

2. Actions must be in accordance with the intent of having a fair prop bet. No actions (including but NOT limited to: slowing down tables, chip dumping, collusion, ghosting/coaching players on Silent_0ne69 tables) can be taken with the intent to affect the outcome of the prop bet. Violations will result in the violator's action being forfeited and may result in additional modification/extention to neutralize the interference.

3. Wagerers must provide their PokerStars screen names to Silent_0ne69 and the Judges. These screen names will NOT be disclosed publically!

4. Wagerers MUST be regular players with established history on a site like PTR. This is to prevent issues with bad money locking the escrow's accounts, freerolls, etc. If you are completely unknown or have poor history, you will not be allowed to bet.

If any bettor goes against the spirit of the bet, or makes someone else go against the spirit of the bet, their bets will be forfeited.(judge’s discretion)

5. Minimum bet of $500 risked by each bettor. ODDS are 5:1, with a bettor risking $500 to win $100 of Silent_0ne69's money.


Other Terms and Clarifications:

1. If Poker Stars goes down at any time, that time will be added on to the 31 days. In order for this to happen, Silent_0ne has to make a post in the thread about Stars being down. The judge will use good faith efforts to verify the outage and determine the length. Example- Pokerstars goes down for 3 hours, those 3 hours will be added on at the 31st day if needed. Silent_0ne cannot retroactively claim an outage unless he immediately posts when it affects him. For example, he can't be away from his computer/sleeping/etc, find out it was down and post claiming that outage later.

2. If something changes on PokerStars that would prevent Silent_0ne from playing 24 tables either due to a bug, policy change, etc, the timeframe will be adjusted to compensate for this fact. For example if Stars decided to cap everyone at 12 tables halfway through the bet, the REMAINING time in the bet would be doubled.

3. If it is not possible for Silent_0ne to play on PokerStars due to poker being banned or a similar reason, the bet would be declared void and all bets returned.

4. If PokerStars shuts down Silent_0ne's account for something that was not his fault, the bet would be declared void and all bets returned UNLESS the judge can find a fair way to compensate, such as pausing the bet and having it resume. For example - if Silent was investigated for being a bot, the bet would be PAUSED while the investigation was ongoing, and if his account was re-opened, the bet would continue.

5. For purposes of this bet, money won/lost in other currencies will be considered to be US Dollars for purposes of the > $1 profit requirement to avoid any currency conversion complication.

6. Any changes by Stars to the structure of the games (such as buyin changes) during the bet will not result in the bet being voided unless the judge rules that it is impossible to continue to pursue the spirit of the bet.

7. In the event of the following emergencies (which must be verified by the judge), the bet will be paused or voided at the judges discretion, with a strong preference towards pausing and continuing as soon as is feasible:
a. Serious illness of Silent_0ne (such as hospitalization)
b. Death of an immediate family member


Judging Rules:

1. ALL individuals on both side of this bet are REQUIRED to cooperate with all requests of the judge related to this prop bet. I will obviously not disclose any personal information provided, but if you refuse to cooperate with REASONABLE requests for information about suspicious or standard things, your action will be forfeited. Please ask me questions about this if you have them, but I'm not going to let someone stonewall for information if there's potential funny business going on. This is completely intended in good faith and is intended to protect both sides.

2. Spirit of the bet. The spirit of this bet is that Silent_0ne has to fairly play a ton of hands and show a profit within 31 days. Those betting against him are EXPECTED to give him a fair chance to meet this goal, ANY interference or attempts to violate this spirit will be dealt with harshly. If you have questions, TALK TO THE JUDGE FIRST!

3. In the event of challenging circumstances, the judge will consult with well known, respected 2p2'ers for opinions on a fair resolution. Any individuals consulted will be revealed and will be uninvolved parties to this prop bet.

Reserve List:
Kardnel - 4k
JudyIsApunk - 2k
bandonlooper1 - 0.5k
MindGamez - 1k
calvinzorr - 5k
AbsraktPB - 10k
Pleex - 15k
3j55 - 5k
mrdurdenptp - 1k
borgsex - 1k
mdm13 - 1k
King Fish - 1k
Gorilla Boy - 2k
toony - 1k
NYC's Finest - 5k
d7o1d1s0 - 1.5k
galen - 7k
AlligatorBloodFTW - 0.5k
junkmail3 - 1.5k
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total = 65k
Silent_0ne's 13k to bettors 65k.

bettors on reserve list have up to 48 hours to escrow their reserved bets. after that timeframe, other interested players may place bets.

ESCROW INSTRUCTIONS:

Full Tilt: HibachiMahi, Fish, R (PREFERRED OPTION!)
Stars: HibachiMahi, Republic

Please PM Jalexand42 or post in the thread when you ship so he can confirm. Please note the rules regarding unknowns with no play history on PTR.

Payment notes:

1. If he fails, payment will be made to you on the site you escrowed on, minus the 1% fee.

2. If you escrow on Stars, be aware that my transfer limits are the defaults since I never actively played on Stars. I will attempt to increase my transfer limits at the close of the prop bet to ship money as fast as possible, but be aware that if Stars does not cooperate, I will do the best I can to ship to everyone in the most timely manner possible.

Beginning of the bet will take place after all money is escrowed and silent_0ne plays his 1st hand of 100nl.

My favorite degen back for another prop. Best of luck.

GL S1

Gl man, this will be sick if you pull it off

GL. Fun sweat in the making

1k sent on stars, 500 to send pending transfer limits, will be sent tomoro

Are u allowed to buy in for any amount just on deep/ante tables, or all tables? If you dont plan on shortstacking this whole thing, u should edit the rule saying you must have a minimum of 80BB or w/e at all times.

Posting in an epic degens thread

would like to book 1k against if you are still taking action

A few items:

1. Those of that you pm'ed me, I'll get back to you as soon as I can.

2. I did get my transfer limits increased on Stars, but if you CAN, PLEASE PLEASE escrow on Tilt, because Stars is definitely potentially less friendly to prop bets/escrowing.

3. For those of you that have asked regarding 'having history', if you have history of play on PTR ON FTP, Cake, etc. or well knowns that vouch for you, that's good enough. You don't have to be established on Stars. I just don't want some totally random guy with 10 posts betting and shipping to me from an account that's never ever played.

4. Calvin - I believe the intent is that he won't be shortstacking, he can clarify. The only issue with your proposed rule that I see is that I know at one point during the previous prop bet he ran low on funds (loldegen) and had a delay getting more onto Stars. So I think it'd be a bad thing under the spirit of the bet for him to lose some hands if he was waiting for a deposit. Maybe just a rule that he can't buyin on regular tables for less than XXbb?

One more thing...my status as moderator now has NOTHING to do with my judging, so be aware that my actions as judge/escrow do not represent 2p2 in any way.


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so you can do the hands at full ring or 6max depending on what you decide that session???


after re-reading over everything it looks like this is the case. I am pretty sure most people were under the assumption that this would be FR only with 5-1 odds because 700k hands at fullring is obv near impossible itself not to mention the profit part. With 6m being allowed though idk


going to be pretty fun to sweat though

subscribed

I also thought this was full ring only. When did the 6 max stipulation get added?

I had waterfall's prop in my mind so assumed only full ring, no longer reserve me 5k.

glgl

Looks like it's explained here....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...4&postcount=51

TBH it was my understanding that the majority of hands would be FR, but it really doesn't change much. He will definitely be able to log more hands playing 6m, but NL100 is a tough level, if he's 24 tabling 10+ hours a day i'd be very very impressed if he could post a profit.

OP for god

just to let you all know, trying to complete 700k hands at only fullring IS impossible. there is no way I can play 16 hours/day. given the option to mix in some fullring and 6max is near impossible. im expected to play 14 hours/day AND show a profit for 31 days straight if Im expected to win this.

i had no idea waterfall said fullring only until after someone noted it in the interest thread. the reason waterfall chose fullring is not because he thought it would be a sicker challenge but because that was his most efficient option since thats where he logged in 90% of his hands. he has way more experience then me at 100nl and at mutli tabling, and I tacked on another 100k hands.


more action available, people can reserve up to 15k incase any bettors dont put up the escrow in the 48 hour timespan, but 5k more action is guarnateed.

booked.

reservable action
linzeelowhan - 1k

total = 1/16k

Where do you actually get the money for these prop bets? No offense, but you don't seem like a consistent winner to me...

gl anyways

i dont plan on shortstacking and expect to have 100bb+ the entire time. however i like the freedom of having any option available if needed.

played a bunch on euro site with good rakeback and against fishy players at 100nl. i have no idea if im actually able to beat 100nl on stars, nevermind the fact of trying to beat it for 14 hours/day or if I can even maintain the amount of hands needed to ONLY play 14 hours/day since im not a multi tabler.

OP, while I do want to be a part of this, with 6 max tables being allowed I am going to pass at 5:1.

Am sure you will have no prob filling my action.

GL! At least now I can root FOR you.

playing 16 hours/day at fullring for 31 days is impossible. i could not do that for any amount of odds .

playing 14 hours/day at fullring with some 6max leaves me with 9 hours of sleep and 1 hour of starting up and closing the webcam and tables/eating//posting on 2+2/bathroom/walking to computer chair and back to bed/breathing/thinking about how im going to profit during those 14 hours

16k available reservable action left and hopefully this bet can get started in ~3-5 days