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10-03-2007, 03:00 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: playing artistically
Posts: 47
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50% of folding is discipline
Hi everyone,
Discipline is the key to poker. The main areas for the novice to focus on are not overplaying AK, timing tells and making sure your fancy plays are consistent with your metagame. I tell my students all the time: Discipline is like carrying figs for a baby over a mountain. Here is a hand of which I am not particularly proud, but maybe you can learn from my mistakes.
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - ( LegoPoker Hand History Converter)
SB: $441.60
BB: $994.00
UTG: $435.70
MP: $412.00
CO: $713.50
Hero (BTN): $400.00
Well, I'm not doing very well at this table after about half an hour of play. I've gotten stacked more times than I can count after my draws keep missing. And to top off this debacle, I accidentally rebought full after getting stacked on the previous hand. One of the reasons I really should leave is that I am not the best player at the table.
MP is an excellent player who I've been trying to avoid. Any time someone is laggier than you are, it's a good idea to leave the table. MP is running at 72/10/2 and is giving me fits. I'm mainly staying around for the other 4 players who are typical nits running at 22/18/4. So, at the time I though it a good idea to stick around a few more orbits and see if I can outplay the nits postflop. But, I end up in a big hand with the good player.
Preflop: Hero is dealt A  A  (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $8.00, CO folds, Hero raises to $16.00, 2 folds, MP raises to $24.00, Hero calls $8.00.
OK, a little explanation is due here because this is unconventional and tricky. The first raise looks like a minraise, but it's not! A minraise would actually be to $12. By doubling his raise amount I hopefully deceive him into thinking I just minraised for isolation and I eke out some extra value.
After he 4-bets me, I have to put on the brakes. NLHE is a postflop game. What if the flop comes all hearts? That would be bad for me. So let's see a flop before committing any more chips.
Flop: ($54) A  8  8  (2 Players)
MP bets $10.00, Hero raises to $200.00, MP calls $190.00.
That's a decent flop for our hand. The novice player almost always calls or raises smaller here. This is likely a leak. When he bets out, I put him on QTo. So, I want to put out a bluff-sized raise inducing him to push. He just calls, so I don't think he has QTo any more. Good players throw me off my game and that effects my hand reading skills.
Turn: ($454) 3  (2 Players)
MP checks, Hero bets $80, MP calls $80.
I throw out a blocker on the turn looking to get a free showdown. When a good player check calls the turn in a huge pot, this is a classic trap spot. I Mask with an Under Turn Bet. He calls. We need to be very aware of our image and our metagame here to make a good river decision.
River: ($614) 5  (2 players)
MP bets $20.00, Hero raises to $45.00, MP raises to $108.00 (all-in), Hero folds.
Well, that's the worst card in the deck for us. It turned our 2nd nuts into the 3rd nuts. MP makes a deceptive bet on the river. Is he just trying to get to showdown or is he trying to induce action? I raise to find out. I think this is a standard raise for info spot.
He pushes and now my hand is likely mush on the end. Most amateurs say, I got AA, I got a full house. But, on that board, given that action, given our reads, given MP is an advanced player, given our metagame, given we've played our hand face up...a disciplined player will fold on the end.
MP didn't show but I'm sure he had quads or the straight flush on the end enough for a fold here to be +EV. I really should have called his $20 river bet to get to showdown but good players will fluster you into making mistakes. I should have left the table before this hand even happened and I consider that a lesson learned.
That's all for now and we'll see you at the tables.
joy
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10-03-2007, 03:02 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 60% of the time it works everytime.
Posts: 4,670
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
Awesome.
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10-03-2007, 03:03 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 853
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
Quote:
Discipline is like carrying figs for a baby over a mountain.
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Exactly what I've felt all along. I just didn't know how to put it into words
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10-03-2007, 03:07 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 942
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
basically all you beat is a bluff
nice fold
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10-03-2007, 03:07 PM
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banned
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Ongame RBtown
Posts: 2,529
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
[x] Hero accidentally bought in full
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10-03-2007, 03:13 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 775
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
arg i know this is a joke but that fold stil tilts me...!!!
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10-03-2007, 03:20 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 1,685
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
great read to bad you just found out on the river you where beat, but i totally get the point your trying to make here.
"when you know you are beat find the discipline to fold"
i still find myself having trouble folding a hand like this to a 60$ bet with 650$ in the pot.
How did you make it to the level of metagame to just be so confident of your read you can make a worldclass laydown like this?
A fold like this deserves great respect Joy!!!
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10-03-2007, 03:37 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,076
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
damn, hellmuth couldn't even lay that down.
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10-03-2007, 03:39 PM
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 54
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
This is OBV. a Joke.
How could he have a straight flush? He re raised.
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10-03-2007, 03:43 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Live low limit, where I belong
Posts: 202
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
Quote:
Preflop: Hero is dealt A A (6 Players)
Let's see a flop before committing any more chips.
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Nice.
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10-03-2007, 03:44 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 192
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
Agreed, discipline is likely one of the most important aspects of poker.
I'm glad you finally realized to fold that hand. Likely, you should have known something was up when you were reraised preflop. I have it on good authority that when you are reraised, you most likely have the weaker hand as was demonstrated from the flop on and then his trapping of you on the turn.
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10-03-2007, 03:44 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 7,792
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
Thougt spot. I'd probably fold too.
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10-03-2007, 03:47 PM
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BBV Lollercoaster Safety Technician
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Hi. My name is Rosa Kato <3
Posts: 20,963
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
lololololololololol
Quote:
Well, that's the worst card in the deck for us. It turned our 2nd nuts into the 3rd nuts.
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10-03-2007, 03:56 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 548
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
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This is OBV. a Joke.
How could he have a straight flush? He re raised.
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This is what i was wondering, quads i could understand.
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10-03-2007, 03:58 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: getting energy from my inner G
Posts: 4,565
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Re: 50% of folding is discipline
i read the whole thing like 6 times and i give up....what's the other 50%?
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