****$40k in 31 days at 200nl FR prop bet thread

[Ricky1231]

idk I want to look over the rules to see if it says NL only but I'm going out now and can't be bothered.

tbqh it's h2t's job to make sure he's playing the right games and following the rules. If things state that he is only supposed to play 200nl and he accidentally plays pl then it's his own fault. Even if the spirit of the bet is 1/2 poker, the official wording of the bet (that I believe was written by h2t) may be otherwise and bettors, myself included, would be very unlikely to cave in other real world situations and I don't see how this should really be any different.

[Roy]

No one told him to add PL tables just because he couldn't get enough NL tables.

I highly doubt he did this.

Paulee, I wonder if your tune would be different had he lost money in those hands. Obviously you're going to say it would be exactly the same but it's impossible to know.

It's up to the judges.

[EddieOB]

My only problem is that it opens the door to an angle - which I obv don't think this is, but still it remains. By playing pl tables early in the bet you easily could have assumed they would not be counted and only attempt for them to count if you were a winner. When you're playing for this kind of money and this kind of a bet the answer " i made a simple mistake" doesn't excuse you from the rules set forth.

If you had lost 2k playing pl tables this month and figured this out 20 days in there is no way that those hands would count against you...there for they should not count for you.

[hard2tel]

Originally Posted by Ricky1231

idk I want to look over the rules to see if it says NL only but I'm going out now and can't be bothered.

tbqh it's h2t's job to make sure he's playing the right games and following the rules. If things state that he is only supposed to play 200nl and he accidentally plays pl then it's his own fault. Even if the spirit of the bet is 1/2 poker, the official wording of the bet (that I believe was written by h2t) may be otherwise and bettors, myself included, would be very unlikely to cave in other real world situations and I don't see how this should really be any different.

I'm kinda skimming the rules right now and I don't see anywhere where I specifically said 200 no limit...I just kept saying 200nl. Which like I said in my mind included the pl tables.

[icecoldriva]

Just a passer-by in this thread, my two cents.

1) You would never need to add PL tables at 200 FR to get to max tables so I'm sure that wasn't the goal of PL
2) There is no advantage whatsoever to be gained at PL, it is not thought to be "softer" nor can you get more hands/hour or anything like that as far as I know.
3) OP is not a PL specialist and the purpose of this bet was not to have him playing NL because he is bad at NL and good at PL
4) As a result of 1-3 I would say OP made an honest mistake and had no intention of angle-shooting by playing PL
5) I think it would be against the spirit of an honest bet and in turn a form of angle shooting if the betters and judges did not agree to let whatever PL hands occured count.
6) Had OP lost money I imagine betters would want the PL counted and I would hope OP would count them.

[PartysOver]

this isn't official, but my knee-jerk reaction is that they don't count. But, we should talk it over, because I see arguments both ways.

[zachvac]

Sigh would have been a lot better if you had just mentioned that some had been PL and asked for a ruling without mentioning up/down but obviously from this point further I'd advise H2T to filter out PL games and not play them I will talk with the other judges about how we want to handle the hands that have already been played. A few points have been made in this thread that we'll all read but if you have anything to add not in this (both bettors and H2T) please pm one of us and we'll consider that in the decision. Thanks.

[EddieOB]

Originally Posted by hard2tel

I'm kinda skimming the rules right now and I don't see anywhere where I specifically said 200 no limit...I just kept saying 200nl. Which like I said in my mind included the pl tables.

seriously man? NL doesn't = No Limit? So in my mind i'm supposed to know that in your mind NL = PL & NL so it doesn't matter what is stipulated in the bet? Seems like your reaching with "in my mind", when the bet couldn't be much clearer, NL.

[WaterFall21]

Originally Posted by icecoldriva

Just a passer-by in this thread, my two cents.

1) You would never need to add PL tables at 200 FR to get to max tables so I'm sure that wasn't the goal of PL
2) There is no advantage whatsoever to be gained at PL, it is not thought to be "softer" nor can you get more hands/hour or anything like that as far as I know.
3) OP is not a PL specialist and the purpose of this bet was not to have him playing NL because he is bad at NL and good at PL
4) As a result of 1-3 I would say OP made an honest mistake and had no intention of angle-shooting by playing PL
5) I think it would be against the spirit of an honest bet and in turn a form of angle shooting if the betters and judges did not agree to let whatever PL hands occured count.
6) Had OP lost money I imagine betters would want the PL counted and I would hope OP would count them.

im also not involved with bet at all, but am following it and i think the pl hands should count and i havent even read if he was up or down in them.

[Sheep86]

Someone probably asked this before, but who is this?

[Roy]

Originally Posted by EddieOB

seriously man? NL doesn't = No Limit? So in my mind i'm supposed to know that in your mind NL = PL & NL so it doesn't matter what is stipulated in the bet? Seems like your reaching with "in my mind", when the bet couldn't be much clearer, NL.

There isn't even a plhe forum on 2p2 because of how closely related it is to nlhe and how widespread the idea is that the two are interchangeable.

[hard2tel]

Originally Posted by EddieOB

seriously man? NL doesn't = No Limit? So in my mind i'm supposed to know that in your mind NL = PL & NL so it doesn't matter what is stipulated in the bet? Seems like your reaching with "in my mind", when the bet couldn't be much clearer, NL.

I'm just saying that's what happened. When I'm talking about what game I play I don't say 200nl and pl I just say 200nl because 99%+ of it is the 200 no limit tables.

I feel pretty dirty arguing on this cuz I know in the rules it says 200nl and to everything that = 200 no limit but that $900 is pretty crucial

And yea I should of definitely left the $ part out of it and just said hey i've been playing some PL tables should they count? but whatever

[Roy]

Originally Posted by zachvac

Sigh would have been a lot better if you had just mentioned that some had been PL and asked for a ruling without mentioning up/down but obviously from this point further I'd advise H2T to filter out PL games and not play them I will talk with the other judges about how we want to handle the hands that have already been played. A few points have been made in this thread that we'll all read but if you have anything to add not in this (both bettors and H2T) please pm one of us and we'll consider that in the decision. Thanks.

It'd be sick if he actually is down in the PLHE hands and posted that he was up so that all the people betting against him would scream "integrity!!" and "stick to the rules!!!" and then he can come and say "oh lol i'm down 3k HAHA guys".

Unfortunately he would never do that. He's too much of a honest ****ing guy.

[TemplarArchives]

how is it going with your challenge? Are you well underway yet?

[ROM Amnesty]

Originally Posted by TemplarArchives

how is it going with your challenge? Are you well underway yet?

No, he hasn't started yet. The daily graphs, and 80k hands are all from Play Money tables that he is practising on.