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Old 02-23-2016, 06:33 PM   #1
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1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Hello it's been a while since I've made a post like this, probably never (at least on a poker forum). With that said, I am about to face my first 15 buy-in downswing playing mostly 2 tables of $1/2 Zoom 6max dabbled with $.50/$1 Zoom as well. I re-started online poker in Late November and ran around ~4bb/100 at 100NL-Zoom over ~200K hands by Jan 2016. I jumped stakes to 200NL-Zoom and quickly did well as I put in the hours from Dec to Jan '16. A few racks, putting me around $30-40/hourly (depending if I got into the 200NL zooms).

As 2016 Feb came around, my profits began to slip. I bounced around here and there, withdrew a bit (I was around for black friday) and the downswing continues. Today in class alone, in a 1.5 hour session, I lost 4.4 buy-ins playing 2 tables of 100NL-Zoom... I kept facing 50bb short stacks 4-betting my 3-bet when I'm holding AK and JJ/QQ. Twice I had KK and QQ in SB vs BB who both held AA & AA against a short stack and a 100BB stack. Now I know for sure we're like 35% equity tops of calling their 5-bet shove, but we should 4-bet as their 3-bet range from their SB is rather behind our 4-bet of QQ. Anyways the point is, 15 buy-in downswing in Zoom is almost borderline not normal. I am literally playing bad? Or does Zoom 15 Buy-In occur within 200K hands

Now don't get me wrong, while this is my first big online downswing, I've experienced mid-figure downswings in a single week from card counting alone. I think I'm going to stop playing online poker for a while and make another run at the $3/5 and $5/T live game. Thoughts on the transition back to live to change things up?

My hourly online (before this meltdown) was around $35/hr. My live hourly at $3/5 live was $45/hr+. So while I made more money live and relatively less stressed (less decisions, chill, watch people, surf my phone, I really hate the wait for the poker room 4-6 tables of $3/5NL with 30 minute wait times). On the other side, if I play online poker, while I make less, I'm in the comfort of my own house. I get to stop whenever, I get to play in my boxers, I don't have to deal with the bull****. I don't have to pay relatively high rake. And I don't have to make the 15-minute commute one way to the poker room. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I GET THOUSANDS OF HANDS per day. Which increases my hand experience, my analysis, my overall poker.

I'm considering making my first poker blog on this forum of my runs at $3/5 and 5/T to keep myself motivated. It's hard. So much doubt. Sometimes it blows my mind the money I lose that are people's bankrolls and life savings. I work so hard to study and earn it, just to blow it so quickly.

Thoughts? Stick with online poker, stick away from the 200NL until I crush 100NL-Zoom again? Or change it up at the $3/5 & $5/T live? Or just take a break in general. Rest.

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Old 02-23-2016, 06:45 PM   #2
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

It's not just borderline not normal, it's regular not normal. Withdraw your roll or move down to 10nl where they respect your folds.
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:01 PM   #3
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Evaporated $3K in less than a 2-3 weeks of poor play, sure ****ty spots, but mainly due to poor play. I seriously would appreciate any reconfirmation on the situation.

Continue grinding 100NLZ till we reach our 4bb/100 again and then move back into 200NLZ. Or jump back into the circus show of $3/5 and $5/T live? Quiting isn't an option, unless I get back into card counting (which isn't that great since I've already torched my face and name quite a bit)

Btw isn't 10 buy-in downswing happens a few times in a "Career". So wouldn't ZOOM, have even higher variance, thus 15 isn't THAAAAT far reaching?
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Old 02-23-2016, 07:07 PM   #4
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

You need to look at it the other way. You had a once in a career upswing. 10 BI downswing is not normal normal for a winning player.
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Old 02-23-2016, 08:08 PM   #5
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Obviously 15 buyin downswing is nothing, donnie is trollin. Play whatever game you'll play your best game in at the moment and work on your mental game and or take a break.
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Old 02-24-2016, 08:31 AM   #6
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

"almost borderline not normal"
thanks for increasing my vocabulary OP
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Old 02-24-2016, 01:49 PM   #7
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Yeah, downswing is normal. In fact i'm surprised the biggest downswing is only 15BI. I've had a 45BI downswing in December that i recovered from that same month. Playing 100NLz
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Old 02-24-2016, 04:46 PM   #8
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

200k hands? Yes - that is a lot of hands

and that's only $3000 which isn't too bad.
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Old 02-24-2016, 05:50 PM   #9
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I watched you stream a decent chunk of 100nl and you made mistakes almost every hand you didn't fold in sizings and postflop actions vs the player pool. If I knew you were sitting short handed 200nl I'd have sat.
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Old 02-24-2016, 11:14 PM   #10
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I watched you stream a decent chunk of 100nl and you made mistakes almost every hand you didn't fold in sizings and postflop actions vs the player pool. If I knew you were sitting short handed 200nl I'd have sat.
Thanks for watching the stream I guess. I hope to make less "mistakes every other hand" so one day I'll break past my 4.5bb/100 at 100NLZ peak while streaming and talking to the viewers. I wonder how many times I've timed out aces and d/c'ed out of pots while explaining hand analysis. But I'm not tripping. The money at 100/200NLZ isn't whats important, it's the analysis.

If you actually watched my stream a decent chunk, which I find hard to believe; I ONLY streamed zoom and never regular cash game tables - not once - every game I played is short handed. Which totally blows my mind with the statement you just made. Because 200NLZ is only 6max, as all zoom games are. And the fact that most viewers knew towards Jan that my internet was throttling while streaming (thus the d/c) I didn't stream as often. Hope my explanation helped!

If you're going to attempt to insult me, do it correctly. Which means you're either a liar or an idiot...

Oh and just to shut you out from ever typing in this thread, because I would assume a decent higher stake player wouldn't watch a lower stake player (I wouldn't ever watch anyone stream 200NL or lower honestly) - ever held $85K in $5K and $10K bricks from poker and blackjack? Since you can crush me in results in 200NL 6max, I'm sure it'll take you less than a year to grind this profit, since you > me.

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Old 02-24-2016, 11:28 PM   #11
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

If you think a 15bi downswing at zoom on the toughest site on the planet isn't normal, then maybe you wanna play another game. Being a 4.5bb/100 winner, I'm surprised it took you this long to get that downswing.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:47 AM   #12
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

[x] mad. I was pointing out that you might be on a different spot of the dunning kruger curve than you think. You can shoot me a pm next time you play short handed 1/2 and i'll hop in if you feel so obliged to take my $.
As every other poster has commented, I'll echo a 15bi downswing is nothing.
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Old 02-25-2016, 02:41 AM   #13
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

i have 10 buy in downswing sessions. i play really well around losing the 6th buyin.
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Old 02-28-2016, 06:22 PM   #14
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

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Thanks for watching the stream I guess. I hope to make less "mistakes every other hand" so one day I'll break past my 4.5bb/100 at 100NLZ peak while streaming and talking to the viewers. I wonder how many times I've timed out aces and d/c'ed out of pots while explaining hand analysis. But I'm not tripping. The money at 100/200NLZ isn't whats important, it's the analysis.

If you actually watched my stream a decent chunk, which I find hard to believe; I ONLY streamed zoom and never regular cash game tables - not once - every game I played is short handed. Which totally blows my mind with the statement you just made. Because 200NLZ is only 6max, as all zoom games are. And the fact that most viewers knew towards Jan that my internet was throttling while streaming (thus the d/c) I didn't stream as often. Hope my explanation helped!

If you're going to attempt to insult me, do it correctly. Which means you're either a liar or an idiot...

Oh and just to shut you out from ever typing in this thread, because I would assume a decent higher stake player wouldn't watch a lower stake player (I wouldn't ever watch anyone stream 200NL or lower honestly) - ever held $85K in $5K and $10K bricks from poker and blackjack? Since you can crush me in results in 200NL 6max, I'm sure it'll take you less than a year to grind this profit, since you > me.


I know this is bbv but this is a ridiculously childish statement to make. Comparing who has or HAD more money. You're probably just a 21year old kid.
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Old 02-28-2016, 07:15 PM   #15
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Meh, I'm only nice cos I'm drunk so:
1st LOL at making a serious fred in BBV (fail #1)
2nd yes 15 BI downswong is nothing esp. at 200z and if you're any serious about it you shouldve already known that (fail #2)
3rd LOL at your last post (fail #3)
4th fold more rivers
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:15 PM   #16
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

Was cleaning through my bookmarks and I found this little gem 1.5 year later!

Apparently now I'm playing 5/5/T/20+ PLO and 5/T/20 NL uncapped as my main income.

@XFlopRRiver you still alive in the game? Or you working a normal job and made poker a "hobby"
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:31 PM   #17
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Amazing
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Old 05-16-2017, 06:39 PM   #18
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lmao @whathas2banks I am in vegas rn playing 25/50 plo for the next two months. please come to the aria during the series. see you on the felt, gl.
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Old 05-16-2017, 08:34 PM   #19
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OP just thank the higher powers that you aren't playing PLO.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:14 AM   #20
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OP just thank the higher powers that you aren't playing PLO.
Not really sure what to make of this statement when literally three posts before... But I'll take it into consideration. Thanks!

Anyways I'm only here for XFlopRiver to finish up my last act of immaturity from 1.5 years ago and I'm gone.

Just hijacked his thread and exposed him.

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lmao @whathas2banks I am in vegas rn playing 25/50 plo for the next two months. please come to the aria during the series. see you on the felt, gl.
But according to his thread, less than 1 month ago, his bankroll is around $20-$30K max. His life time earnings is less than $20K profits as well. Want to say you're playing 25/50 PLO RN in vegas again?

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Old 05-17-2017, 10:12 AM   #21
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First off, the thread isn't even 1.5 years old.

Secondly, you're awesome bro subtle brag keep it up well done

thirdst, lol
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Old 05-17-2017, 11:03 AM   #22
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First off, the thread isn't even 1.5 years old.

Secondly, you're awesome bro subtle brag keep it up well done

thirdst, lol
My bad. 1 Year and 3 months. Close enough for you?

Subtle brag? This wasn't a brag. If you think my stakes are worthy of a brag, boy that's weird. Because the guy I'm referring to, is playing 50/100/200 PLO. Stakes I can only dream of playing. An equivalent analogy would be me mentioning winning at 1/3 NL. That wouldn't be considered a brag. But playing 5/5/T/20 PLO is? Strange.

His username is done. Find him at the 25/50 PLO in Vegas RN.

Lmao. Kid claims to have won $80,000 from the big game and plays 50/100/200 PLO. I've won more than him in my first year of poker in 1/3 NL in college than his entire career. This isn't a brag, but rather to illustrate how strange it is for him to have no money despite all the stakes he's crushed in his poker career. But he's an absolute beast. He PULLED $80,000 from the big game in a few months. Then there's all the other play time! 5/T/20, 25/50, 50/100 PLO.

How does he still only have $20,000 after everything he's said...?

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Old 05-17-2017, 12:33 PM   #23
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Re: 1st 15 Buy-in Downswing at $1/2 Zoom 6max

You seem to think that people give a **** about what you say.

You keep doing it wrong. That's the funniest part. Not "haha funny" but "babyVSsuv.jpg" funny

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Give us a break

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Old 05-17-2017, 12:42 PM   #24
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You seem to think that people give a **** about what you say.

You keep doing it wrong. That's the funniest part. Not "haha funny" but "babyVSsuv.jpg" funny

Give us a break
While I'm not famous like Doug Polk level in the poker community, I have a reasonable following under another alias. Hell even this account has had its time on twitch and on two occasions hit over 1k viewers. I think people who want to win at poker or rather improve, do care what I have to say (under my other acc). Even this one on twitch has its followers.

With all this said, all you can say is, "who gives a shty". But you haven't countered my statements at all.

If I said going all in with pocket 8s 400bb deep preflop, you can easily debate it. You'd explain it within a minute. Yet here, despite everything, all you can say is, "why do you care". You're not countering my points, you're not calling me stupid. Or an idiot. You're avoiding my points. And coming up with "why do you care".

because you know, what i say. Is true. Regardless if it matters or not (it doesnt). I'm just right.

If you can counter my points that I've stated time and time again, do it. Otherwise I thought so. And I'll take your silence as such.

If you think this guy is going to show back up on 2+2 under the same username, I'd bet against it. #exposed

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Old 05-17-2017, 12:51 PM   #25
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I don't feel the need to counter your accusations as, and it's pretty apparent, I don't really care about the validity of them. Nobody else is really gonna care much either. You have a "reasonable following" under another alias that you're not using. You're on a gimmick for some reason or another and come in here thinking that there are going to be people that are swayed, or concerned, with your evaluation of a relatively unimportant person.

You're wrong.

It's trivial and quite honestly you could have accomplished much more of your goal by PMing the person and getting the real information that you desire rather than trying to put them on blast and annoying a bunch of other people in the process.

Is that better? Did i make myself clear? Love you. Have a good day at work, son.
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