live 20/40. Game have been quite loose and passive

3 limps. I limp with 8s7s HJ. Co limps. Bad loose button raises. blinds call and everyone else.

flop comes 54J 1 spade. Checked to weak-tight EP who leads out. Im next in. This a peel with the gutter and bdfd? Is preflop standard? Thanks

Look left and see if the PFR is going to raise. If it appears he is, that makes this closer, but hot-and-cold this is the easiest peel ever. You have 4 outs to the nuts and you're getting 15:1. You only need 11:1 to call, so you have an overlay plus implied odds.

P.S. I don't think I used the term "hot-and-cold" correctly.

i peel this 100% of the time fwiw

first thought was this is a super easy peel based on the pot size and the passiveness of the players. But if this somehow happened to be a limped pot with more aggro players behind likely to raise, do we re-consider?

well if you peel and you get raised and everyone is calling, you're still getting odds to see one more, so it seems pretty standard to me

Peeling is absolutely fine. From the description there is 16 sbs (8-way action) in the pot preflop, so you're getting 17:1 with the EP bet.

Interesting alternative play, after seeing everyone limp and then having a bad button raise and everyone call, I'd consider a re-raise. If you can get an 8-way pot for 3 or 4 bets preflop (depending on if the button 4-bets it), you'll be playing a pot that if it flops good (any kind of reasonable draw here is good for you), and you hit by the river you're going to win a nice sized pot. Plus it will do wonders for your table image.

Once in a while is ok. Probably overrated. Don't forget this will increase your variance without adding to your winrate.

Best outcome that it helps get the table on tilt. More than half the table instantly loses 2-4 BB. Worst outcome is that you flop big and lose and go on massive tilt.

I think this is a safe flop peel. This flop is usually not particularly good for the PFR so his chance of raising is lower.

Making a huge preflop pot here is both fun and will cause the nits at your table to start steaming from the ears. It helps if you also cackle maniacally as you shovel in the re-raise. When I do this I always say something like 'Damn, I've been waiting to play in a pot like this all night!" It gets the fish at the table excited, and if you can't win the pot, definitely the next best outcome is for the fish to win.

For balance I occasionaly LRR with AK and AKs in early position. I never LRR with good pairs, I believe it's generally always more profitable to immediately raise with them in these games where CCing two bets is common.

for 1 sb.. yes this is standard.

True, but it can help loosen up the table and get everybody in a gambling mood. As to flopping big and then loosing, meh, it happens. Just don't go on tilt!

Writer--

Yes, this is a peel, unless you think there is an unusual chance of its being two more back to you.

Remember to consider a raise in this spot; here the bettor is too tight and the field has too many players for it to be good, but if you look left and don't see too much interest, this can be a nice medium-sized pot to steal or free river to buy (when your 8's and 7's might be outs).

All my best,

--Nate