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Originally Posted by Duke
Please elaborate.
One for the road: Hopefully this serves a small purpose to legitimize my apology & general intentions.
The following is all my opinion:
1) We smash this flop texture
2) From my study, a cbet frequency of ~85% is going to be close to optimal here.
- I would check back very few combos of A2. (in tight range spots this is big imo, here it's not that important)
- rarely weak Kx
- always checking QQ-TT, and 44
- rarely all unpaired hands. Playing QJ and 86 at roughly the same frequency. slight tendency to check back QJ QT a little bit more due to showdownability + the hands equity realization/bluffcatching capacity in check back range construction.
3) In general, the xb range I would use would be heavily weighted towards the underpairs, the rare weak Kx, and Q/Jhigh. this allows us to fold turns + river at appropriate frequencies.
4) Checking back small amounts of most combinations gives our check back range board coverage.
---- After checking back, which should be the rare line taken imo
Our hand is much stronger in our check back range than if we cbet the flop with it. When we check this hand back it skyrockets to the top ~20% of our range. Because of this ever considering folding is extremely fundamentally poor. We should easily & happily be getting to showdown in a spot like this against most/all playertypes in my opinion. The purpose of checking back a hand like this is to have the ability to showdown after checking back vs a bet/bet line! (mixed w\ some board coverage concepts imo)
---- Preflop consideration based on the OP
K7s is in the ~55-60th percentile of our opening range. This is clearly no where near the bottom of our opening distribution. We should be raising hands like K9o/K2s on the button within a ~45-50% opening range. I have every intention of checking hands like this back on many different types of board textures....
and even showing down unimproved on great runouts after checking back
--- Options from OP
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Option A: Check-back intending to bet ott if checked to, fold to a turn x/r given no fd or two-pair?
after checking back, bet folding the turn would be very fundamentally poor. It can be exploitatively correct in certain situations, but in general this is going to lead to over-exploitative play... which opens us up to counter exploitation. When you want to exploit people, do it on the margins.. instead of making huge sweeping adjustments with your frequencies. This idea is called a "minimally exploitative strategy" and is way stronger than attempting to play like the nemesis. Players who over-exploit actually cause the field to learn & get better at poker over time... they force counter-adjustments. (e.g. vs the guy who always bluffs... if you start ALWAYS calling down...he'll realize he's bluffing too much and you made him get better!) So stop it! Just adjust a reasonable amount... don't overdo it and make people better.
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Option B: Check intending to get a cheap showdown?
We're valuebetting the turn if he checks again since we're extremely high up in our range.
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Option C: Bet intending to call the x/r and fold an unimproved turn, and fold an unimproved river if we make it to the turn w/ a ?
This would be overfolding the turn. Vs a flop XR we should be peeling with a TON of backdoor flush draws. on the turn we can fold all missed bdfd, QJ,QT, and JTo. Folding a king is waayyyy too much folding. We souldn't even be folding a 5 unless we're exploiting... and these are already a ton of combos before we can ever consider a king. Even if you exploitatively fold a 5 on the turn... then you have to fold all combos of 66-99 as well and weaker Kx before K7. Wayyyy too much.
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Option D: Bet intending to call and semi-bluff the turn if a comes, and consider a free showdown.
We are too high up in our bet/call range to be raise bluffing the turn. You destroy the showdownability of your hand, and are lowing the equity of your turn raising range. This is extremely vulnerable to people who are willing to 3bet for value correctly on the turn. (or especially those who 3bet bluff correctly) If you take lines like this often.. your turn calling range is too weak (e.g. oop exploits by cbetting river more often) and your turn raising range is WAYY too weak (e.g. oop exploits by 3betting more often as a whole, with value and bluffs) You'll force yourself to have to start calling down with much weaker hands to avoid over-folding.
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Last edited by avoidthe9to5; 05-28-2017 at 03:16 AM.