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Old 04-27-2017, 11:30 AM   #1
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Two Hands with Aces

80/160

Both 9 handed

UTG raises, UTG+1 3 bets, Button calls, SB calls, I have Aces in the big blind and call, UTG calls.

Reads, UTG is pretty tight. UTG+1 is a solid winner, Button has 4 BBs and losing this session. SB is a reg.


Flop is 9 high rainbow.

UTG+1 bets, button raises, sb folds, I call, UTG folds, UTG+1 3 bets, we call.

Three handed to the turn which brings a blank deuce. I c/r after UTG+1 bets and buttons calls all in.

River is a 10.

I bet.


Hand 2:
EP raises, CO 3 bets, I cap Aces on the button. Call, call, three handed.

Flop comes King, 9, 7.

EP leads, CO raises, I call, EP calls.

Turn blank.

EP leads again, CO raises again, I call, EP 3 bets, CO caps, I fold.
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Old 04-27-2017, 01:41 PM   #2
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Good God cap preflop.

Also hand 2 plays out a lot better if you just 3-bet the flop.

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Old 04-27-2017, 01:49 PM   #3
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

I like both. You can certainly cap hand 1
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Old 04-27-2017, 04:49 PM   #4
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

hand 2 seem a bad fold, the way u played it, no way in hell they think you have AA and the way you played it seem you put them on exactly KK and 99.
Do you have a read that good?

i mean if you underrepped a hand to get more action and than fold to the action you asked for, than what was the point ?
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Old 04-28-2017, 07:17 AM   #5
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Hand #1

I like putting some calls with AA here pre, and waiting for the turn to sandbag. Frequently opponents will overplay their over pair, and get you stuck in the middle with AA, so you get all the deception, and all of the bets on the flop.

Hand #2

This hand is confusing. Can you elaborate on your reads of the opponents? I am more read-based in my thinking, so I am not sure what the math of the turn is.
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Old 04-28-2017, 07:23 AM   #6
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i mean if you underrepped a hand to get more action and than fold to the action you asked for, than what was the point ?
I think hero calls 2 OTR because hero is unsure where AA stands. The problem is if you get in a habbit of being in the middle, and then folding, people may take advantage and will start bluffing you off with AK to iso against the other player. I think I'd 3-bet the turn, and check the river (assuming no ace, duh). Terrible spot if you get 4-bet.
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Old 04-30-2017, 04:05 AM   #7
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

I like both
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:10 AM   #8
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Hand 1 I think I like because button is almost all in so I'd expect him to almost always bet the turn if he's the flop aggressor. But if he was playing a normal stack I would prefer to just check-3 bet the flop.

I would play hand 2 the same way as OP. I know a lot of people 3 bet the flop here but I think it really hurts other parts of your range if you do that with AA. Your range is so narrow to begin with I like not having a 3 betting range here. You will almost always get to do your damage on the turn if you delay with your strong hands.
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:51 AM   #9
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Hand #1 - Keep in mind you can always 4 bet preflop and then shut down on the flop to extract the absolute max. You have the player close to all in and then UTG/UTG+1; so three players who are reasonably likely to bet your hand for you postflop.

Hand #2 - If this happened online I'd suspect the two villains were colluding. To anyone who says the hand is easier to play if you 3-bet the flop: its not like some random villain is gonna be thinking "Oh, ****! He 3-bet the flop? I'm going to play the hand differently now..."

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Old 04-30-2017, 11:18 AM   #10
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Hand #1

Hand #2

This hand is confusing. Can you elaborate on your reads of the opponents? I am more read-based in my thinking, so I am not sure what the math of the turn is.
Sure. I haven't played to many hands with EP, but he's a thinking player and slightly looser than CO. CO is a ok TAG that will pay off with his big hands when losing.

On the flop I put EP's donk as at least a king so KQ+. I don't think EP instadonks less and will opt to check/call check/raise any continuing hand. CO's raise I put him on AK+. I didn't see too much value in 3-betting in case either smashed the flop. I guess if EP 3bet and CO capped, I'd be in a nasty spot and need to call and eval turn.

On the turn EP donks again and I'm putting him on K9+ and CO should have the same on EP as me so raises again. Both player's didn't seem to care at all about what I had or what I might do and gave off the I beat aces vibe. I put CO on 99, KK, and mayybe the other combo of aces. Anything less I think he just calls turn. I thought of folding the turn but got sticky and call/folded.

Results were EP had 99 and CO had KK. For hand 1, UTG+1 tank called and looked really unhappy afterwards. I'm guessing he had JJ-KK.
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:22 PM   #11
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I would play hand 2 the same way as OP. I know a lot of people 3 bet the flop here but I think it really hurts other parts of your range if you do that with AA. Your range is so narrow to begin with I like not having a 3 betting range here. You will almost always get to do your damage on the turn if you delay with your strong hands.
What other hands are in your calling range here? Isn't it likely that anything worse than AK is beat and shouldn't be calling two bets?
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Old 04-30-2017, 05:23 PM   #12
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Folding QQ to 2 bets seems very exploitable to me. If UTG+1 is solid winner, I don't generally want to take exploitable lines against him.
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Old 05-02-2017, 11:08 PM   #13
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

Hand #2

I'm already squimish after two bets on the turn in the dry board, and I think you can safely fold to four-bet. I consider folding for two-bets ott. Should use a spoil tag though.
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Old 05-11-2017, 09:32 PM   #14
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Re: Two Hands with Aces

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80/160

Both 9 handed

UTG raises, UTG+1 3 bets, Button calls, SB calls, I have Aces in the big blind and call, UTG calls.

Reads, UTG is pretty tight. UTG+1 is a solid winner, Button has 4 BBs and losing this session. SB is a reg.


Flop is 9 high rainbow.

UTG+1 bets, button raises, sb folds, I call, UTG folds, UTG+1 3 bets, we call.

Three handed to the turn which brings a blank deuce. I c/r after UTG+1 bets and buttons calls all in.

River is a 10.

I bet.
UTG opens 160; UTG1 raises 240. BTN has 640 behind and calls, leaving 400, SB calls.

Is the cap 4 bets or 5? This is a smash 4b to me either way, dammit if it 'gives my hand away'. I want to cripple BTN down to 320 or 240 chips. Now when the flop or turn is bet, everyone will be worried BTN will go all in, open the door, and it will be 3 bets facing them. This giant increase in FE in a giant pot is incredible. Since BTN is likely terrible, people can't make extreme exploitative folds since we can also be doing this with AK.

If you just flat PF, you are not correctly reading the situation.
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