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Old 08-25-2008, 07:53 PM   #1
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The train to value town

Live currently 7 handed 20 game. Loose passive and bad EP player limps. Loose, passive and bad SB completes. I check my monstrous Q8o. I don't know too much about either player, but both seem to push the call button an awful lot.

3 hands, 3 small bets

KQ9r

SB checks, I bet, EP folds, SB calls

8 one flush draw now

She checks, I bet, she calls

J that does not make a flush

she checks and I....
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:05 PM   #2
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Re: The train to value town

start by betting
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:08 PM   #3
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Re: The train to value town

Jesse, let's bet this one and then decide to fold or not to fold.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:24 PM   #4
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Re: The train to value town

you can usually discount Tx quite a bit from her range solely due to her river check.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:24 PM   #5
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Re: The train to value town

bet/fold?
Why not, I think you'll get called with worse enough. You're not getting raised by anything other than a T, and she probably would donk a T anyway. Yeah you'll get called by better sometimes too, but I think it's >50/50.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:33 PM   #6
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Re: The train to value town

Actually, I think folding here is bad. b/c. I think she almost never raises, but J9 and J8 are possible.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:42 PM   #7
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Actually, I think folding here is bad. b/c. I think she almost never raises, but J9 and J8 are possible.
0% chance she check-raises J9 or J8.
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Old 08-25-2008, 08:46 PM   #8
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Re: The train to value town

You're right. I just don't think she's c/r much here at all so calling may be a medium but rare error.
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Old 08-25-2008, 09:28 PM   #9
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Bet/fold seems right to me.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:17 PM   #10
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You're right. I just don't think she's c/r much here at all so calling may be a medium but rare error.
You're right. b/c is way better than checking behind even though you're never good when she raises because she just never raises. That said i think b/f is better because well you're never good when she raises.
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:40 PM   #11
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Live currently 7 handed 20 game. Loose passive and bad EP player limps. Loose, passive and bad SB completes. I check my monstrous Q8o. I don't know too much about either player, but both seem to push the call button an awful lot.

3 hands, 3 small bets

KQ9r

SB checks, I bet, EP folds, SB calls

8 one flush draw now

She checks, I bet, she calls

J that does not make a flush

she checks and I....
start the engine and take her to value town. if it turns out she's actually trying to take you to value town, get off the train
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Old 08-25-2008, 11:49 PM   #12
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Re: The train to value town

Thanks guys. Seems like the old bet/fold is the favorite, which is the option I took.
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:27 AM   #13
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Re: The train to value town

She holding 98?
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:57 AM   #14
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K7 and she called.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:11 AM   #15
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bet/fold seems perfect here.
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Old 08-27-2008, 01:14 AM   #16
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K7 and she called.
Standard, nice value bet.
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:07 AM   #17
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Re: The train to value town

then by folding (only if necessary)
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:09 AM   #18
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I really can't see her raising anything but the straight because all live players are bat**** afraid of the nuts and not capble of bliuff c/r.
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Old 08-29-2008, 07:42 PM   #19
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That's usually because the pot odds allow them to call with something that usually has you beat.

Plus a 3-bet means you just leaked 1, possibly 2 big bets.
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Old 08-30-2008, 09:21 AM   #20
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Bet and call. Why fold if she bets?
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Old 08-30-2008, 11:42 AM   #21
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Bet and call. Why fold if she bets?
Because I don't want to light 40$ on fire.
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Old 08-30-2008, 06:24 PM   #22
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Because I don't want to light 40$ on fire.
It is either check or bet and call, bet and fold is bad.
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Old 08-31-2008, 08:25 AM   #23
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Re: The train to value town

B/F as an opponent-specific move.

I like players at the table who b/f several times, I always give them another chance to prove they are capable of doing so real soon.
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Old 08-31-2008, 11:46 AM   #24
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B/F as an opponent-specific move.

I like players at the table who b/f several times, I always give them another chance to prove they are capable of doing so real soon.
Nice point, in limit I like people that check call, check call, check fold. Not the exact instance here. If all I have to do is bet and you fold, then just check. Not bet fold.
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:00 PM   #25
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Re: The train to value town

Usually against an unknown opponent who has shown any signs of aggression I would bet/fold in this spot. Then after getting a decent read on a player I look at a river bet fold as an occasional opponent-specific opportunity to save a bet when I am almost certain I am beat, but after bet/folding once or twice I would simply not be able to do it anymore for a while until I am certain they have forgotten I can bet/fold good hands =P
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