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09-03-2008 , 05:53 PM
New live 40 game, CasinoAZ. Villian is on my right. I know nothing about him except for one hand where he limps KJo UTG, I raise KQo UTG+1, he bets J9x flop, I raise, take free card on turn, and bluff ace on river but he obv. calls. Since then he seems to be playing tight.

He limps UTG, I follow with Ac4c, after a couple more calls regular TAG in BB raises, all call.

Flop 9c7c4h. TAG bets, Villian calls, I raise, folded to TAG who calls. Now Villain three bets. Call or raise?
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09-03-2008 , 05:55 PM
i fold pf

as played jam flop
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09-03-2008 , 05:59 PM
Fold PF, really? Normally I fold it in EP, but once a suspect limper enters all my pairs and suited aces become playable. Unless the game is aggro, which this wasn't.
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09-03-2008 , 06:01 PM
ok, i didn't know that about the game at the time - was assuming a modicum of aggression for a 40 game

i still am not a big fan of it from this position. would prefer it in lp when i know there are several limps and i'm not gonna get iso'd.
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09-03-2008 , 06:03 PM
Its a valid point. I probably don't consider those risks properly, it was new game so the dynamics weren't certain.
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09-03-2008 , 06:07 PM
what a boring hand
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09-03-2008 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by reachforthesky
what a boring hand
back to complaining about how you never win, please
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09-03-2008 , 06:39 PM
Okay, let me get to the interesting part. Worried I'm behind a big hand I just call. I understand why that is a mistake, I've got great equity and might get a free card. But a more subtle reason it was a mistake led to a complication on the river.

Turn is 6d, check, bet, call, call. River Kd. Check, bet.

At this point it finally occurs to me by not capping the flop I missed an opportunity to fold BB's AK. I suspect UTG might have missed a big draw. But if I call I give BB a chance to overcall. So I raise.
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09-03-2008 , 06:51 PM
fps imo
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09-03-2008 , 10:58 PM
Cat--

50-50 at best, but not much worse at worst.

I'd cap the flop, both because you have such great equity and because nothing you want to fold will fold (something like a gutshot straight draw is maybe an exception). When things that fold are things you want to fold and things that don't fold are things that--given that they're not folding--things you want to pump the pot against, that's a good cue to pump the pot.

The river is tricky, but I'm pretty sure the benefit of raising is too much of a parlay to be justified. Whether to call or fold is tough; I think it's a fold because not many remaining draws completely whiffed and will bet. (But I would call vs. one guy closing the action.)

All my best,

--Nate
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09-04-2008 , 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBabar
back to complaining about how you never win, please
Owned.
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09-05-2008 , 03:12 PM
I don't know how you could like the flop anymore -- jam it
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