Since Babar likes it when I go animal, I dedicate these bluffs/semibluffs to him. Commerce 20/40

Hand 1:

My image: I've shown down AA 4 times and QQ 4 times recently, with mixed success. I just open folded AK on a A942 board to a c/r and villian observed.

Villian is a thinking break-even player. Reasonable but misses value.

2 Droolers limp in EP, Villian raises in CO, I call in BB with 98, limpers call.

Flop comes 975

I c/r villian, limpers fold, she calls.

Turn is A

I bet, villian thinks for a while and raises, I think for less of a while and 3 town.

Hand 2:

Villian has been described as being on "parmatilt." He is indeed very angry at life. He limps a ton and has been very active but that's because he keeps flopping 2 pair. I've seen him fold middling pairs to agression.

I raise black 99 UTG. Lots and lots of people call. Villian 3 clowns it in the BB. I call. UTG+1 back-caps for her last chips. All call 6-7 to the flop.

Flop is 873 Villian bets, I raise, only 1 cc (he has something like 75 or 82 here for sure), villian 3 bets, we both call.

Turn is an A.

Villian bets, I raise

Thoughts on 2nd hand: Villian never has an Ace here unless it is AAA. I never have an Ace here but they aren't smart enough to know that.

Hand 1 seems like spew without more of a read. Hand 2 I think is fine as long as he sucks at hand reading and didn't see the 98s hand.

I also don't like hand 1. At best villian is raising with JT or some big overcard hearts. I think call down is much preferred over 3 bet, because villian will have to bet on river when missing more times than not...

Hand 2 is good unless villian doesn't fold ever, but you just said he does, so yes, I like.

i dont like either one, but i think hand 1 is more likely to accomplish what you want

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Hand 1:

I kinda like it.

He is a thinking player. He is break even -- probably gets scared of a 3 bet turn because he rarely if ever 3 bets the turn with this kind of hand.

He has also seen you show down some monsters lately, which will stay imprinited on his mind.

You are really trusting your read and showing some juevos. I guess you are hoping that the percentage of the time he folds makes up for the times you are spewing and don't hit. Also, a 9 or 6 would be nice.

A problem though -- will you fold to a 4 bet on the turn? If you don't, which I wouldn't, and re-evaluate the river, will you check and fold (getting four bets in on the turn and folding to one river bet is a ******ed line) or bet at it again and spew a little more?

I'm a little more cautious and use this play when hitting something with more outs -- like when the turn brings a straight and flush card.

Still, I thinks it's good poker to throw this at your opponents from time to time -- it helps you get paid-off more and also, if you are running good or he folds, you take down a nice pot.

You animal. I never play hands this way but I not animal.

I like hand 2 a lot more than hand 1.

What is your plan for hand one if he calls and the river is a brick?

Good Question.

Mine would be to B/F

hand one is great for metagame when you show it down, win or lose. You win with it, you're not getting raised on the turn ever except the nuts, cuz most commerce players always call down but hate it. If he has an ace he might fold river and will definitely realize you are macho-aggressive (even though all commerce players assume young 'internet' kids are hyper-ag)

hand two is awesome, plain and simple. that's a set or AK, and you're in way ahead way behind town. I'm assuming you fold to a 3-bet. Is this the armo dude with the mustache that always has the son with the facial scar and sunglasses behind him?

if your image is animal both of these plays suck for obvious reasons

Everyone seems to like hand 2 better. In hand 1, I am saying "look I know you have an ace with a big kicker and I really could give less of a ****"

Check and fold.

No, it's just some random dude that I've never seen before.

yeah they like hand 2 because it actually seems like you are 'protecting' your hand... but you're not. this dude isn't bet/folding JJ here. he just isn't. pot is too big and ppl suspect these types of shenanigans 3way. you should just call down because dude is on tilt, but your hand doesn't have close to enough strength to warrant putting in a raise imo.

hand 1 actually has a chance because people will level level themselves into folding Ax, thinking you have a set 100%... plus there is a chance he's freesshow down raising a pair that he's willing to get away from... in the second hand that isnt possible.

In the 2nd hand he has AAA, KK, or QQ 190% of the time and calling down is pure suicide. My raise is 100% bluff.

In hand 1, I was in the BB so I could easily have 2 pair, a set or a straight.

you're giving that tight a range to a player on perma-tilt? wtf does he do to earn this reputation? if that's really the case, then he is in fact a tight-straightforward tag, and I'd upgrade my response from "dislike a turn raise" to "turn raise is a total abortion"

^ i feel opposite. I think the turn raise becomes better the more "solid" he is. Tight players bet-folding. Doncha read mid stakes?

agreed. the other thing that makes this bad is that the ai person or the other dude still in the hand can have an ace.

lol, yeah totally missed the allin person... that makes it even worse

He isn't a TAG, but I was 100% positive that his range was overpairs only.

hmm yeah, i guess i agree

i'm going to go ahead and upgrade my initial response to "total abortion" assuming its a spaz on tilt, and i'll keep my response as "almost a total abortion" against a tag....

I just don't think even foldy straightforward Tags bet-fold better hands often at all in this particular spot. but of course they are the prime candidates to make horrible folds so whatever..

holla good sir, thanks for the shout out

imo hand 1 is spew

and hand 2 is spew

hand 2 - there is an all in person - how do you semibluff an all in?????
terrible play

hand 1 - I like it if you truly have a solid tag image and have a read these guys will fold. Don;t lke it if there is any chance you are viewed less than very tight