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Old 05-07-2017, 09:25 PM   #1
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Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Mainly for softer live 100/200 and up lineups:

If a weaker reg opens MP, along with a weaker reg in the BB, and we are in the HJ/CO, would there be value to having an exploitative flatting range (consisting of hands like QJs, JTs, etc, which the weaker regs wouldn't pick up on initially), or would the three bet or fold strategy of having a range advantage and "kicking out" the small/big blind be better?

Curious of thoughts, especially from some live players
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:56 AM   #2
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

I break the 3bet pre flop "rule" pretty often when Im in the SB and theres a big fish in the BB. They call in that spot close to 100%.
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Old 05-08-2017, 01:41 AM   #3
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

If a fish will call a 3! from the BB with J7s, you should be 3ing a reg's CO open from the BTN with QJs. Keeping fish in the pot pre is more based on no limit theory.

In HSLHE we want to charge the fish the max in every situation, especially b/c a reg will be able to assign a capped range based on our cold call preflop.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:03 PM   #4
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Not really. Taking down the bigblind is much better than letting in a semicompetent player with a wider range to hurt your equity.
Coldcalling would make more sense if the original raiser has a so tight range that 3betting doesnt worth it and the bigblind is not likely to fold anyway to a 3bet and you have a hand that plays well multiway.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:30 PM   #5
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Where do these soft 100-200 and up games run? Since there is basically 0-1 of these running anywhere
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Old 05-09-2017, 02:34 PM   #6
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

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Where do these soft 100-200 and up games run? Since there is basically 0-1 of these running anywhere
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Old 05-09-2017, 03:41 PM   #7
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

I think the most underrated phrase in the OP is "and up".
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:36 PM   #8
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I think the most underrated phrase in the OP is "and up".
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:38 AM   #9
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say
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Old 05-12-2017, 12:46 AM   #10
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

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Old 05-12-2017, 01:08 AM   #11
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Hard to comment without knowing which game you are talking about? Which casino(s) were you referencing?
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:19 AM   #12
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

He is talking about commerce. I think it would have to be a really fun/recreational player in BB to consider flatting and not just a weaker reg. And if that was the case I'd likely do it with a wider range than you are thinking.
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Old 05-13-2017, 12:56 PM   #13
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

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Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say
Sorry
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Old 05-13-2017, 04:16 PM   #14
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Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say
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Old 05-13-2017, 05:22 PM   #15
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Just do find softest highest limit hold em game in the country and develop an exploitative SB cold calling range against weak regs, solid use of time
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:53 AM   #16
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

Everything in the OP suggests OP has built a functioning flux capacitor and he's dumb enough to think the best use of it is to go play high stakes limit hold'em in 2005.
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:01 AM   #17
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Re: Question about cold calling preflop in high stakes limit

You can't believe everything you see about flux capacitors in the movies. Maybe his ran out of flux
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:35 AM   #18
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or he lives in fresno
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:02 PM   #19
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Classic 2+2 question getting so many unrelated responses..please dont reply if you dont have anything insightful to say
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:25 PM   #20
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or he lives in fresno
Maybe he's the guy in Dear God who had a bus ticket to Fresno.
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