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02-25-2017 , 12:51 AM

Sandwich

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What was a loose, aggressive game has now changed with the departure of three players and three new players to take their place. First orbit with the new players... 8 handed...

UTG+1 raises, MP (new player) calls, HJ (new player) calls, CO calls, I am on the button with Q

and I call.

Flop is 4

Bet, call, call, call, I call.

Turn is another undercard: 9

Bet, call, fold, call.... I fold. With the pot so large, should I have peeled instead? I'm thinking I can't be confident one of my 6 outs wins me this pot.

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02-25-2017 , 10:07 AM

PaulValente

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Yeah you can safely fold. The guy opened early and fired twice into 4 opponents on this board. He pretty much has TT+ and big spades, and you'll lose often when you do make your pair. I try not to draw to 1 pair too much in 5+ way pots.

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03-01-2017 , 07:22 PM

Sandwich

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Thank you. I will try not to be bothered by the fact that a Q came on the river and I would have won the pot.

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03-02-2017 , 12:36 AM

jdr0317

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Ya don't worry about it. It's a mandatory fold on the turn, and I'd probably note someone as a spot if I saw them peel this turn with QT.

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03-02-2017 , 03:31 AM

Jon_locke

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I think flop is interesting. I peel more linearly that anyone and fold this flop without any back foot ewuity.

* I read all the typos and just don't care enough to correct them

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03-02-2017 , 12:31 PM

phunkphish

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Closing the action. Getting good price. Have button. Who knows how wide new player cold caller ranges are.

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03-02-2017 , 03:55 PM

Jon_locke

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Originally Posted by phunkphish

Closing the action. Getting good price. Have button. Who knows how wide new player cold caller ranges are.

If UTG plays somewhat reasonable pre and doesn't cbet this flop with Entire range when it's 6 ways he's going to have 88+ a huge amount of the time, then we have 3 cold callers who likely all cold call hands that crush us, KTo, JQ, KQ etc. yes we are getting great price but it's. A huge parlay for UTg to have 88/AK and to also not be sharing outs with cold callers.... then we still have to hit 6 outer

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03-02-2017 , 07:39 PM

avoidthe9to5

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Originally Posted by Sandwich

and I call.

Flop is 4

Bet, call, call, call, I call.

Turn is another undercard: 9

Bet, call, fold, call.... I fold. With the pot so large, should I have peeled instead? I'm thinking I can't be confident one of my 6 outs wins me this pot.

grunchie:

I definitely 3bet preflop here. Your hand + position are amazing.

as played - i fold flop. #reverseImpliedOdds
I think peeling here is fairly poor without a bdfd

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03-03-2017 , 09:07 PM

PaulValente

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Originally Posted by avoidthe9to5

grunchie:

I definitely 3bet preflop here. Your hand + position are amazing.

as played - i fold flop. #reverseImpliedOdds
I think peeling here is fairly poor without a bdfd

These 2 statements kind of contradict each other.

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03-03-2017 , 09:11 PM

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leavesofliberty

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Your overs aren't very good. I hate peeling with weak overs.

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03-04-2017 , 05:57 AM

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avoidthe9to5

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Originally Posted by PaulValente

These 2 statements kind of contradict each other.

flop drastically affects hand equity. this is a horrible flop for QTcc

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03-05-2017 , 04:50 PM

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Montrealcorp

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03-05-2017 , 04:51 PM

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Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by avoidthe9to5

flop drastically affects hand equity. this is a horrible flop for QTcc

So why invest 3 bet pf instead of 2, if the chance you miss the flop is pretty high ?

With the add % on top of that you are dominated by a lot of hands already in play probably and cannot possibly win this pot ui wihtout a SD ?

i mean just call pf and keep your position trough out the hand seem a no brainer

flop fold seem pretty standard

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03-05-2017 , 05:05 PM

#14

CrazyLond

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I call preflop and fold flop.

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03-05-2017 , 05:40 PM

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leavesofliberty

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I fold the flop too.

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03-24-2017 , 12:20 PM

#16

mb1980

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I am folding the turn without question... flop, im 50-50

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03-24-2017 , 08:53 PM

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Montrealcorp

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Originally Posted by Montrealcorp

i might disagree now but maybe nitpicking?
i was watching this flop and without a bdf i was folding but seeing it is a rainbow flop with perfect position .... think it is a call, our outs seem clean beside being in opponents hands.

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03-24-2017 , 10:41 PM

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prototypepariah

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This is a spot I'd 3! If I can get it to go heads up or 3 ways. Once 2 people order the strawberry banana I think it's safer to flat and use the button appropriately.

I wouldn't peel without a bigger backdoor draw.

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04-03-2017 , 05:42 PM

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asmitty

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If I 3bet preflop, it's with the intention of taking a four card flop on boards like this one. And I fold flop too, but the fact that you are closing the action makes it much closer than it otherwise would be.

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04-04-2017 , 11:21 PM

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avoidthe9to5

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Originally Posted by asmitty

absolutely checking back this flop +1

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04-05-2017 , 05:36 PM

#21

ninefingershuffle

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It is like a fsdr preflop

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04-09-2017 , 07:37 AM

#22

D22-soso

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fold flop

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04-09-2017 , 10:18 AM

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6MaxLHE

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Originally Posted by D22-soso

fold flop

Folding the flop getting 15.5 to 1 closing the action is a mistake. I peel once and safely muck a brick turn.

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