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Old 10-09-2008, 06:53 PM   #151
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

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Probably. Deception is important against the better players.
Is it just me or is standard 40/80 thought process out of SB/BB (3-4 to the flop):

Flop: K-5-2

Bet if I have nothing.
C/r button if I have 5, 2 or A-high.
Make tricky sloooowplay if I have K.
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:16 PM   #152
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

good play or totally botched.

7 handed game with CO posting in 4 chips his first hand in. Folded to CO who checks around to me in SB and I raise with KJ off. BB calls CO calls. CO is pretty solid asian player, not those tight passives, BB is also decent player.

Flop comes A 9 3 with 2 hearts. I bet BB calls, CO raises, I 3 bet BB folds CO caps I call.

Turn is another 9, I lead out, CO calls.

River is a 10, I check intending to call a bet, from missed draws. I think I should have bet this river.
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Old 10-09-2008, 08:41 PM   #153
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NoPair,

What stakes? I'd guess this is fine and you really need to c/c the river.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:27 PM   #154
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good play or totally botched.

7 handed game with CO posting in 4 chips his first hand in. Folded to CO who checks around to me in SB and I raise with KJ off. BB calls CO calls. CO is pretty solid asian player, not those tight passives, BB is also decent player.

Flop comes A 9 3 with 2 hearts. I bet BB calls, CO raises, I 3 bet BB folds CO caps I call.

Turn is another 9, I lead out, CO calls.

River is a 10, I check intending to call a bet, from missed draws. I think I should have bet this river.
this is terrible. Like just so terrible.
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:29 PM   #155
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I am finding it tougher and tougher to make it to the casino, now that ASU football takes up my Saturdays. I only put in like 5 sessions in Sept. probably my record low since I started going in Jan '05.
Looking at the past couple saturdays, and the one coming up, that's a serious beat...

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Old 10-09-2008, 10:21 PM   #156
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good play or totally botched.

7 handed game with CO posting in 4 chips his first hand in. Folded to CO who checks around to me in SB and I raise with KJ off. BB calls CO calls. CO is pretty solid asian player, not those tight passives, BB is also decent player.

Flop comes A 9 3 with 2 hearts. I bet BB calls, CO raises, I 3 bet BB folds CO caps I call.

Turn is another 9, I lead out, CO calls.

River is a 10, I check intending to call a bet, from missed draws. I think I should have bet this river.
This is really bad. I'm not sure what you were intending to do w/ flop 3 bet let alone calling the cap as your hand has no show down value. On the river I'd probably check because if he had some hh hand -which isn't the only hand he could have a3, ax, if ace is non heart obv heart combos but I'm less inclined to think that because you got to the river-- I doubt he would bet it.

By betting the river you're hoping the accomplish some ungodly trifecta of him making it to the river given the action and folding a better hand.
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:31 PM   #157
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Is it possible that I'm big favorite in a loose games where most flops are 4-way or more by playing semi-tight, fast playing everything and hardly ever folding, but am a dog in tight games where most flops are heads-up or 3-way because I don't play tight enough and don't use deception enough?

I read 2+2, have good poker feel, but always feel a little out of touch in tight games. Advice?
I feel the same way as I favor loose multiway pots over hu/pots. One reason is that I used to play a lot of shorthanded nl online where you equity from coming from behind always balances out if you can win enough if you hit. This logic is pretty bad but yeah. It helps if multiway pots are tight players who hate coming from behind or loosepassive players who don't go ape**** w/ draws.

The room for error in tight games with few to a flop just narrows by so much because every bet adds up. I wouldn't think too much about deception though because the value you give up for playing too many hands will cost more than your return.

If you're in a tight game I'd suggest just tightening up so you spew less pf and rethink how you play your hands on the flop - something I'm still working on.
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:38 PM   #158
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

I liek tighter games better. i can raise every hand
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:38 PM   #159
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good play or totally botched.

7 handed game with CO posting in 4 chips his first hand in. Folded to CO who checks around to me in SB and I raise with KJ off. BB calls CO calls. CO is pretty solid asian player, not those tight passives, BB is also decent player.

Flop comes A 9 3 with 2 hearts. I bet BB calls, CO raises, I 3 bet BB folds CO caps I call.

Turn is another 9, I lead out, CO calls.

River is a 10, I check intending to call a bet, from missed draws. I think I should have bet this river.
I don't think this is as bad as people think. CO has an Ace or a PP like never. Who posts in CO and then just open-checks an Ace?

So villain has either total air or a monster on the river. By the turn play, this looks more like total air. I don't think a non-heart c/c is terrible.

NoPair, are you thinking you need to river bet in case villain backed into a T with Th on the river?
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Old 10-09-2008, 10:46 PM   #160
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

There are way too many "good" players making iso raises on the flop with second pair in a 4-5 way pot from the BB. I saw some guy do it with 79 and, of course go on to lose 2BB on the hand because the SB had a better 7. Its just so silly.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:16 PM   #161
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PJ is teachin somebody a lesson about posting threads bitching about losing with big pairs.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:18 PM   #162
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PJ is teachin somebody a lesson about posting threads bitching about losing with big pairs.
Nah, I just moved them to Small Stakes because they were 8/16 and total beginner's hands. I admit I would have been less likely to move them if the hands had been at all interesting, but you're right -- he had pocket aces and lost! He had a set of kings and lost! He had QQ and a K came on the turn! OH NOES!
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:40 PM   #163
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Oh Noes indeed!

So I forgot to mention this...2 or 3 days ago (certainly this week) I'm sitting in a live 20 game in the evening after the good sirs Hammerin' Hank and Captain R have retired to their wives and children. My friend from real life and now poker (Sunil is his name) comes over to me from his 20 game to take a little breather. Sunil often asks me what I think of other players in the games and such, and this was no exception. He says "Jesse, there's this guy in my game, he just keeps betting and raising and betting and raising, putting lots of pressure on everybody" And I look over at his table and say "let me guess, seat 8?" and he says "Yeah, how did you know?" and I just give him a grin.

CDC strikes again.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:43 PM   #164
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

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This is really bad. I'm not sure what you were intending to do w/ flop 3 bet let alone calling the cap as your hand has no show down value. On the river I'd probably check because if he had some hh hand -which isn't the only hand he could have a3, ax, if ace is non heart obv heart combos but I'm less inclined to think that because you got to the river-- I doubt he would bet it.

By betting the river you're hoping the accomplish some ungodly trifecta of him making it to the river given the action and folding a better hand.
This play is not really bad, it might be bad but not by much given the players I was up against.

CO posted here and checked his option. This mean he has a pair never and an Ace never, ever, ever. He is a solid player not some idiot passive.

By betting the river I was hoping to get him off of a Heart heart hand that happened to make a pair on river or with the 3.

After I 3 bet the flop and he 4 bets, it made it more likely that a monster is out of the question and he is likely on a draw.

I 3 bet the flop to get the middle guy, who might have a 9 or an ace out of the way. Once I get this guy isolated I am never folding if no hearts show up.

The only part of my play I was questioning was the river decision to check to induce a bluff, or bet to try an get the flush pairs out.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:44 PM   #165
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I don't think this is as bad as people think. CO has an Ace or a PP like never. Who posts in CO and then just open-checks an Ace?

So villain has either total air or a monster on the river. By the turn play, this looks more like total air. I don't think a non-heart c/c is terrible.

NoPair, are you thinking you need to river bet in case villain backed into a T with Th on the river?
Ya this was my decision, I did not want to lose to a 10 of hearts.
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NoPair,

What stakes? I'd guess this is fine and you really need to c/c the river.
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Old 10-10-2008, 12:40 AM   #167
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good play or totally botched.

7 handed game with CO posting in 4 chips his first hand in. Folded to CO who checks around to me in SB and I raise with KJ off. BB calls CO calls. CO is pretty solid asian player, not those tight passives, BB is also decent player.

Flop comes A 9 3 with 2 hearts. I bet BB calls, CO raises, I 3 bet BB folds CO caps I call.

Turn is another 9, I lead out, CO calls.

River is a 10, I check intending to call a bet, from missed draws. I think I should have bet this river.
this is an interesting hand, moreso than I thought at first glance.

but jesus, my head already hurts from just playing 7 hours and seemingly having to make a tough decision every hand I played. I was just looking for some low content bliss here....
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Old 10-10-2008, 12:45 AM   #168
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Re: October Low-Content Thread

Normal 20-40 game, same guys, same table, same stakes. Then a new guy shows up. it's late, maybe 2am. He looks at the game, someone says "20-40 holdem" "sure" and the guy takes the one seat. His first hand (he has bought in for 200) he posts his blind, folds around to the button who folds, sb is some kid who says "chop it" "why would I want to chop it? I just put my money out" and the kid raises, bets the flop, turn and river, and takes it down without a showdown. Two hours go by without anything remarkable happening. Then.

New guy is utg. the cards are dealt, he looks at them slowly. Without missing a beat takes his remaining 160 and puts it in the center of the table "I'm all in."
There's a chuckle and a few snickers as the dealer says 'are you raising?"
"I'm all in." he's stone as a statue.

"Sir, this is 20-40 limit."
"THIS IS LIMIT??!?!" he looks like someone slapped him.

He limps in, calls a raise calls down a board of AAJxx and shows JT and that was that for the nl player.
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Old 10-10-2008, 02:30 AM   #169
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Normal 20-40 game, same guys, same table, same stakes. Then a new guy shows up. it's late, maybe 2am. He looks at the game, someone says "20-40 holdem" "sure" and the guy takes the one seat. His first hand (he has bought in for 200) he posts his blind, folds around to the button who folds, sb is some kid who says "chop it" "why would I want to chop it? I just put my money out" and the kid raises, bets the flop, turn and river, and takes it down without a showdown. Two hours go by without anything remarkable happening. Then.

New guy is utg. the cards are dealt, he looks at them slowly. Without missing a beat takes his remaining 160 and puts it in the center of the table "I'm all in."
There's a chuckle and a few snickers as the dealer says 'are you raising?"
"I'm all in." he's stone as a statue.

"Sir, this is 20-40 limit."
"THIS IS LIMIT??!?!" he looks like someone slapped him.

He limps in, calls a raise calls down a board of AAJxx and shows JT and that was that for the nl player.
you mean two hands, right? not two hours....right? Right??? please?
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Old 10-10-2008, 03:16 AM   #171
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Played my first tourney in awhile. $500+60 HOSE with a $50k guarantee (which they missed so ship the overlay baby!) Overall really nice tourney. Played for 13 hours and I busted out 5th for a measly $3000. gah.

Oh ya, they used a 4/8/1/1 stud structure in alot of the stud rounds. I got a kick from all the old guys complaining about how they were wrong. lol
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Old 10-10-2008, 03:25 AM   #172
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Looks like Mr. Jones needs to write up some hands before he burns through the rest of his bankroll.
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J-kam -- that's funny, the same thing happened to me late night at Commerce a couple weeks ago. It was astonishing, even though with my guy it only lasted like 45 minutes.

Dude sits down, looks really uncomfortable with the chips, and proceeds to play most of the hands. He bets a lot, often donking into preflop raisers. He's been active and takes down a few pots.

After about three, three and a half orbits, he's in a hand with a guy and out of position. He checks, guy bets 4 chips, he calls. He checks the turn, guy bets 8 chips, he calls. River brings 4 to a flush out there, and suddenly this dude grabs two stacks out of his rack and plops them on the table. The dealer tells him "8 chips only, this is limit." The dude looks flabbergasted: "This isn't no limit?" "No sir." He reduced his bet to 8 chips, guy called, he showed the winning flush, guy mucks angrily, and the dude racked up his decent win and moved over to find the no limit games.
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So I've been running super hot since October started, just murdering the Commerce 40 for many many bets per hour. So since it ain't broke, I should go ahead and fix it right?! I decide to check out the Hustler 50 game. Why not? I've only played in it one other time, and the game wasn't too good and I ran like total ass, dropping 25 bets. But I heard the game got better, so I went down there tonight. It was definitely better. Just as good as a Commerce 40, actually.

But silly me for thinking I would run good. TAG opens in the CO, SB calls, I call KQs in the BB. Flop QJT one of my suit. SB checks, I donk, CO calls, SB calls. Turn 8. SB checks, I bet, CO folds, SB checkraises. He gives off all these fidgety bluffing tells, so I decide I'll call him down even if I don't improve on the river. He bets the river dark. River comes a 5, I call, he shows the 55.

I lost 26 bets this time. F***in' Hustler.

I love how I only play 50 or 60 when the game is great, making sure to game select really well, and I play at the top of my game (or so I think). But I run so godawful horrible. It's just disgusting. Then I go back to 40 or 25 or whatever, and all of a sudden I stop getting 2- and 3-outered in every hand. Thanks a lot, poker gods. F*** you.
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