How is it May already?

Inexorable march of time. Ask HB.

And here I am!

march was two months ago.

May is when I turn the 3 week losing streak into a distant painful memory.

Remind me what the ruling should be:

UTG says raise and the dealer acknowledges the raise, but somehow his bet is short (less than 1/2 the raise amount. for example $25 of the total $40). Now a few players call and the dealer brings the flop.

After the flop one player speaks up an the floor is called.

Does the flop come back? Or should the pot simply be made correct?

if the players who called put out 1 bet, then yea thats a tricky question b/c obv everybody just thought it was a limp and that seems to have what happened here.

if they all put out 5 chips then pot is made right and play goes on.

if i were the floor here i'd bring the flop back. i also think i'd have to replay the hand basically since now you can't force all the players that called pf to now call a raise that they clearly didn't know. so in reality it may be worth it to redo the whole hand which sux and will upset many but i think is the most fair ruling in this rare/strange case.

Barron

All the players who called, called the full raise. Sorry for not being clear the first time.

what do you think?

Seems like a pretty clear situation where verbal is binding and dealer makes the original player put the full raise into the pot. I only play on the tubes though.

from the above, mad easy decision. make the pot right, keep the flop, action on first player.

but again, if the players only put out 4 chips instead of 5, they may not have known they were calling a raise. that's the key here imo.

when you say "called the full raise" im not sure if you mean put out 4, 5, or 8 chips??

Barron

every player except the original raiser put in 8 chips. the original raiser had some odd color chips which he tried to raise with, but he didn't count them correctly which caused the problem.

Anyway, the floor said that the pot was not right preflop, and so the flop needed to come back.

Wat?

This is like one guy making a big bet in a NL game on the flop and another guy calling the wrong amount and after the turn is dealt, discovering this, and having to re-deal the turn because of it.

imo it isn't a logical ruling but it may be the correct one. if it says "pot must be right before flop comes out" then yea, flop comes back. id just make the guy make his bet right if everybody obv called a raise. action was right, pot was not. make pot right. continue.

Barron

I played my first long session in the Comm 20 yesterday. One hand made me laugh. Three people are in the hand on the river which puts 4th diamond on the board. Two checks and last guy checks his cards saying "Let me see if I have the ace of diamonds. Yup!" He bets and the other two fold.

may seems ok so far. was stuck about 70 bets on april 30 and won about 80 bets on may 1, i knew if i rode the session out long enough that may would come thru for me

your session results would sound crazy howmany except you play every hand for like 15 hours straight and run like god or sh+t, never in between. never seen it go any other way. plus you 5 bet bluff the turn and put in 8 bets on the river with the non nuts more than anyone ive ever seen as well.

Nah, player verbally raised and was assumed to have by everyone. All that needs be done is he stick in the other chips. You can't have a player see the flop, decide he doesn't like it, and get a do-over.

Brick sure plays in a wacky room.

I just read CTS blog and he had a post about his trip to africa. I need to do one of these trips this year. which one of you pumped up superstars wants to go to africa? I 1000000% promise its better than playing poker all night....check out http://www.andbeyond.com/

, I was going to post 'I'm 60, plus a month' on May 6 and offer to tell another story.

I would love to go to Africa. One of my wife's best friends is South African so its high on the list of next big overseas vacations.

Yikes, isn't urban South Africa, like Jo'burg, crime-ridden beyond belief? This is where carjacking became so rampant that people were putting flame-throwers on the sides of their cars.

Or is it that everyone just wants to see the thousands of hookers that are supposed to be coming in for the soccer thing?

yea i agree. but if the room has a rule that states unambiguously X must be true before Y, and X was false before Y, then that's the end of that. wacky room indeed lolz.

Barron

I considered making a thread about this but figure I can get the feedback I want here.

Whats my/your winrate in the Bellagio 15/30 vs the 30/60?

How about Commerce 20/40 vs 40/80?

If you know my game feel free to estimate for me otherwise just use yourself if you play these games.

I was thinking about this after playing 15 all weekend instead of sitting in the 30 with Bakku, DaveR, and Chris.

LOL I feel like a kid again waiting for another of Uncle Howard's stories. Do eeet! Puhleeese!

Had a good time in Vegas. Played a decent amount of SSNL with Bakku and CDC. Bakku was a good sport about it since he isn't too comfortable with NL. CDC was tough to play with since I couldn't stop laughing when he would pause when the action got to him, announce a raise to the dealer by holding his thumb upward for a few seconds, and then drop a minraise in from whatever position. Caldarooni joined us for dinner at the Bellagio buffet although he was doing everything he could to get through the meal as fast as possible so he wouldn't get picked up from the jesus seat he was in. It was kinda strange see that he has turned into me and was even kind enough to remind me of that fact.

I managed to avoid playing any LHE for the entire trip but did find a way to get buried in the 5/10 NL the first night. I hadn't won a single pot bigger then 20 BB the entire time and had to announce "ten high" and "queen high" at showdown after betting 3 streets. It was pretty rare for me to have the LAG/bluffy image which I promptly took advantage of when I picked up AA near the end of the night and got 3 bet by JJ. I only started the hand with around 60 BB as I was stuck and didn't reload since that was all I had on me. There hadn't been a single 4 bet all night long preflop so I obviously just flatted and trapped him into putting in all his chips on a Jxx 2 flush flop. I picked up a FD on the turn but bricked it and off I went to bed.

The last night I finally got to open up a can of whoopass though, dragging a variety of pots both big and small. The biggest was when I 3 bet squeezed JJ vs some LAG who hated me about 120 BB deep. He flated and checkraised an AxJd5d flop which made me smile since I knew there was no hand he was ever getting away from other than a pure bluff which would be quite rare on that board in a 3 bet pot live. I shipped and he thought for 2 nanoseconds before calling. I was pretty sure I was going to see AKdd and have to fade the draw but was happy to see black AKo. It is fun to have it go in that good. Overall the game quality was pretty good and I suspect some of the regs there are crushing pretty hard despite the exquisitely painful 25 hands an hour or so that we were playing.