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Old 05-09-2017, 05:03 PM   #126
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Re: I put in a luxury car payment and don't show down

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I will stake JDR against you any day. Not that he would need me to.
Put your money where your mouth is! 562 753 3948..we can set something up whenever you like! Hell you sit in with him!
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Old 05-09-2017, 05:08 PM   #127
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You will go through life with a lot of things not making sense to you because when multiple people explained why you are wrong you just shout them down and maintain your flawed position.[/QUOTE]

Wrong about what? you saying that was a good fold? or that vils hand is most likely a monster? I mean what are you talking about? please explain so I can shot down whatever nonsense u say.
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Old 05-09-2017, 05:18 PM   #128
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mmmm, I dunno about that. I think the argument here is either is that your hand is just strong enough to call the turn raise and check call the river, or its so strong that you can bet/call the river. I think people are in one of two camps but not both.

People are saying that you took Option 3, which seems to be the worst possible option. You put more money in the pot than you needed to and still folded.
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Old 05-09-2017, 09:54 PM   #129
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Put your money where your mouth is! 562 753 3948..we can set something up whenever you like! Hell you sit in with him!
I don't like to be the one to stir the pot (as the 2p2ers who've met me irl can attest to), but I just wanted to say DAMN! dead.money has put us all on notice.

Is this a HU challenge against JDR or a crossbook w JDR and PaulV?

Babar could escrow and we can all watch on Twitch or something.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:01 PM   #130
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Babar could escrow and we can all watch on Twitch or something.
Yes please.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:23 PM   #131
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Re: I put in a luxury car payment and don't show down

Can't we just do it on LatB? Avoidthe9to5 can commentate. Hell I'll drive down and copilot w him for that one.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:41 PM   #132
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Don't get too excited about the stakes for the headsup challenge...he's already said he's not one of you rich guys who can afford to take a shot at 8/16.
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Old 05-09-2017, 10:44 PM   #133
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Can't we just do it on LatB? Avoidthe9to5 can commentate. Hell I'll drive down and copilot w him for that one.
Sounds like a plan.

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Old 05-09-2017, 10:50 PM   #134
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I just want to chime in and be the only person to really get behind JDR's line here. I really don't think he wins here often enough to call. I mean, sure there are those guys who do **** like this, but if JDR says he has a lot of hours with this guy then I think we can all accept that he's not the type of guy to really show up with a bluff here 10% of the time.

There's like no way villain ever has KK or AQ here either. Several people here are arguing about whether or not we should just call down from the turn raise. But somehow this somewhat-reasonable player decides his 1 pair hand is good for a value-raise on the river? Come on. If villain posted the hand from his point of view and had AA or KK, the advice here would be "cry call down" from the turn 3bet. Nobody would even be considering "call turn raise river" or "4bet turn" with 1-pair hands. Just wouldn't happen.

And yes, I know Avoidthe9to5 and a few others would sometimes advocate a river bluff raise with busted draws, and that's fine, but by and large almost everybody is underbluffing river bricks like this. Certainly anybody who isn't up on their GTO strategies is.

There's a BIG jump from "sometimes plays hands fancy and is guilty of mildly overvaluing hands against me" to "raises 1 pair hands on the river for value as the 5th bet to go in on the big bet streets. JDR is in the BB and has a full panoply of 2 pair hands, sets, straights, etc and JDR has shown aggression at every point where we'd expect aggression to be a considered option. Villain isn't just deciding one pair is still good a lot, lets raise it up!

I think the fold is fine, I think it's probably even good. I wouldn't get in the habit of doing it, but even the comments about how you shouldn't "sigh-fold" I think are a bit silly. I've certainly been known to "sigh-fold" air on the river to make some ABC player think I had it vs them and I now know they got there vs me when really I never had it. I've also turbo mucked when I was strong to make it seem like I missed. I've even added the "fine, I missed" comment while mucking something strong. I don't think many people are going to see this hand play out, be paying enough attention to the exact action and reactions of the players, continue to think about the hand to the point where they make the correct deduction that JDR had stronger than AQ, AND then think he folded it. First off, most people will think he probably "wouldn't fold that strong" and secondly most people at 40/80 are aware of the amount of bull****, lying about what hands we had, pretending we had X then we had Y, etc, so you have to take it all with a grain of salt anyway. Finally... its 4 handed, so only 3 people could have even seen this hand take place, if they weren't busy texting or playing games on their phone or watching TV.

FWIW, I think you're right, JDR, that vs this guy who is checking back the flop a good bit that you should 3bet KK preflop. But whatever, not a big deal.
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Old 05-09-2017, 11:33 PM   #135
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Can't we just do it on LatB? Avoidthe9to5 can commentate. Hell I'll drive down and copilot w him for that one.
I'm 100% in. If that guy actually will put money up into escrow as easily as he posted his phone # ... I'll work to get them on the show HU 4 rollz np

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Old 05-10-2017, 12:30 AM   #136
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Don't get too excited about the stakes for the headsup challenge...he's already said he's not one of you rich guys who can afford to take a shot at 8/16.
Dang, I was hoping it would be high enough stakes wher jdr would be forced to sell action.
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Old 05-10-2017, 05:58 AM   #137
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Re: I put in a luxury car payment and don't show down

One more thing. In villain's shoes the correct bluffing frequency is vanishingly small. Our value raising range here, as many of you have pointed out is extremely small and the pot is extremely large so it is correct to almost never bluff. Just a note for all who think most ppl under bluff this spot drastically (some under bluff it for sure but never drastically)
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Old 05-10-2017, 08:49 AM   #138
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One more thing. In villain's shoes the correct bluffing frequency is vanishingly small. Our value raising range here, as many of you have pointed out is extremely small and the pot is extremely large so it is correct to almost never bluff. Just a note for all who think most ppl under bluff this spot drastically (some under bluff it for sure but never drastically)
I wish we got to play more together tbh vegas in june?
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:13 AM   #139
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Nice! Thanks!

Im poogs by the way. I post here often but lost my old password.

Im in the boston area and would loooove to get in on this staking/ HU match. Assuming its going down at foxwoods I would love to play a grudge HU limit match too if that can be arranged.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:15 AM   #140
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Put your money where your mouth is! 562 753 3948..we can set something up whenever you like! Hell you sit in with him!
Can I get in on this? Are you in the north east? Ill play any stakes, min 8/16 if thats what it takes to get this going, assuming JDR doesnt want to play that small. We can have some sort of forum side bet maybe.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:23 AM   #141
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I'm going to be honest and say that live 4/8 HU isn't going to be the ticket that gets me to fly across the country.
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Old 05-10-2017, 09:53 AM   #142
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:52 PM   #143
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This sounds fun but i doubt you have the balls to play me. if you want to play a little online warm up grudge match that sounds good to me. i can deposit on seals with clubs.b we can play 4-8 or higher
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:00 PM   #144
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I'm going to be honest and say that live 4/8 HU isn't going to be the ticket that gets me to fly across the country.
Do it for the fans!
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:01 PM   #145
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I wish we got to play more together tbh vegas in june?
I will be there for sure.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:04 PM   #146
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Re: I put in a luxury car payment and don't show down

Can I suggest a 1000 hand challenge either online or live? So much variance heads up limit even 1000 hands doesn't prove much unless one player is just awful. But please record it in some manner would be fun to see one person run like god and the other lose they mind and all their chips.
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:56 PM   #147
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Can I suggest a 1000 hand challenge either online or live? So much variance heads up limit even 1000 hands doesn't prove much unless one player is just awful. But please record it in some manner would be fun to see one person run like god and the other lose they mind and all their chips.
I'll play all 3 of you at the same time if you have the balls to play. Well make one game Omaha since Omaha is better
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:09 PM   #148
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I'll play all 3 of you at the same time if you have the balls to play. Well make one game Omaha since Omaha is better
Sadly I am here to instigate a grudge match; however since I hold no grudge, I cannot participate. That being said, I am a man of the people so if you want to play a friendly non-grudge match live on the internet I would be happy to oblige. 40/80 or higher on LatB with an escrow. You can confirm w me Via pm.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:26 PM   #149
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I accept if we can also play a game or two of the non limit Holdem variety. Will be fun, no grudges.
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Old 05-10-2017, 03:33 PM   #150
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Getting back on topic, I think I'm the only one here who actually liked OP's play (as long as he had a strong read to back it up).
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