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Originally Posted by bicyclekick
I just think you win more than 1 in 13 as well as hate what it looks like when you sigh fold image wise.
I've stayed out of this debate because it's all operating on a much higher level than I operate, but I do want to comment a bit on this.
Even if we assume a river b/f is bad for OP's image, that is only going to matter if the opponent is actually capable of taking advantage of it, and further is only going to matter if a situation comes up where the opponent CAN take advantage of it. And that seems to me to be a pretty rare set of circumstances.
With respect to my first point, very few people in limit hold 'em bluff enough rivers generally, and fewer still bluff enough rivers in big pots. Basically, players assume that they have no fold equity when there's a ton of money in the pot, at least unless some legitimately scary card hits (such as a fourth card to the flush that hits the player's range). You can probably count the number of people in midstakes games who will bluff raise a complete brick river in a giant pot against a player with a strong range. (For the record, avoidthe9to5 is one of them.)
And it's not just strategy, it's psychology. A big reason people don't bluff raise in these sorts of situations is because they have already put in a ton of money into the pot that they expect to lose. A bluff raise, even if it has the requisite pot odds and fold equity, is most of the time going to cost the player an additional big bet.
And another big reason is the opponent's own range is so laden with showdown value. To bluff-raise this river, you have to be willing to then fold to a three bet. Which takes a lot of guts if you have anything with even a pair in it. What if OP is 3-bet bluffing?
So I just don't think bet-folding this river is going to cost OP any table image points at all.
And then my second point, even if the opponent does take a mental note and says "I can bluff rivers if I get into that situation again", how often does this situation even recur? You need to have the players have big enough hands or draws that we get 2 bets in on the flop and then 3 more on the turn. Only then can the opponent then think "now I'll bluff raise the river and take OP off his overpair". And even if the situation did recur again, maybe the second time the OP could bet-call rather than bet-fold.
In other words, nice hand OP.
Last edited by lawdude; 05-04-2017 at 01:55 PM.