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Old 03-12-2009, 02:16 AM   #1
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I am a savant, or just an idiot?

Live 20/40 with some lags and 2 players running at like 90% vpip. No joke it's awesome.

I open A J UTG+2 at a full table.

The CO 3-bets me. He has owned me today and I am running awful. For example, he 3-bet me with the AK and I had the AQ and the A did flop. He also cold-called the 44 when I opened the KJ and the K74-J did proceed to fall. I'm telling you this because it's possible he's feeling a little over-confident. By local standards, though, he's not retarded.

Awful loose passive 90% vpip button calls 3 cold like it ain't no thang (it isn't for her). Awful loose spastic SB calls 3 cold also as if it is not a "thang". The SB once triple donked 77 on a board of 923hh-5-Q. Actually scratch that, the first bet wasn't a donk cause he back-capped preflop....anyway....

BB folds and I cap for value. All call.

17 small bets, 4 ways.

T 6 2

Sb donks (see above regarding spasisicity and donking). I call. CO raises, button folds, SB calls, I call

11.5 big bets, 3 ways

T 6 2 2

SB checks, I check, CO bets, SB folds, I call

T 6 2 2 T

I donk in rhythm because Qantas never crashed IMO. I'm planning to fold to a raise obviously.....
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:23 AM   #2
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Re: I am a savant, or just an idiot?

why not check call and only put 1 big bet at risk to see his hand?

you bet maybe he is dumb and raises you with an ace.......either way im sure hes not folding with his bet on the turn and the pot being pretty large.
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:54 AM   #3
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Re: I am a savant, or just an idiot?

villain isnt raising with an Ace chop here, probably calling.

Whats the bet achieve really? he's calling with everything that beats you, everything that you beat folds, and everything that chops is probably calling too.

Just check, and maybe he checks any pocket pair even overpairs fearing the T on the river so you don't have to put in an extra bet in case he has A-high chop.

Betting does nothing but lose 1BB some % of time and win the pot when you would've won anyway. Plus you get to see his hand
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Old 03-12-2009, 03:04 AM   #4
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I'm not sure I like the flop cap. The typical "unretarded" 20 player isn't 3-betting 99/TT/KQ (these are cold-calling hands ldo). As such you're really capping for his value. I much prefer just calling preflop and then folding to the donk as you are drawing to ~4 outs and have the preflop raiser behind you.

As played the river is good. I would expect him to fold A high diamonds here (he shouldn't as there is no way you have a T, or even a pair, but he doesn't know that). Heck if he's a really good player he may even fold an overpair, rotfl.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:02 AM   #5
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Heck if he's a really good player he will never fold an overpair, rotfl.
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hate the river bet, not a single positive thing can happen
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:35 AM   #6
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just an idiot
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:40 AM   #7
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fyp.

hate the river bet, not a single positive thing can happen
There is a very nonzero chance villain makes a hero fold here. Very few live players ever call down with A high either (they also rarely raise the flop with it...) but if he does have Axdd I fully expect him to fold.
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Old 03-12-2009, 07:32 AM   #8
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Echo all the posts....I don't hate the preflop cap, but the river donk has no positive outcomes
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Old 03-12-2009, 07:52 AM   #9
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Fold the turn
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Old 03-12-2009, 09:58 AM   #10
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I'm not sure I like the flop cap. The typical "unretarded" 20 player isn't 3-betting 99/TT/KQ (these are cold-calling hands ldo). As such you're really capping for his value. I much prefer just calling preflop and then folding to the donk as you are drawing to ~4 outs and have the preflop raiser behind you.

As played the river is good. I would expect him to fold A high diamonds here (he shouldn't as there is no way you have a T, or even a pair, but he doesn't know that). Heck if he's a really good player he may even fold an overpair, rotfl.
I like a cap here as you are capping for value because of the overlay with the other fish in the hand. I probably play the flop the same and hate having to put 2 bets in but I think you gotta fold the turn. As played, just check the river. He's never folding a hand that chops or beats you cuz your line is so WTF, he'd call out of curiosity
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:02 PM   #11
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Assuming two random hands and JJ+,AKs,AKo for the 3bettor we have about 23% equity. If 3bettor goes down to 99 we get to about 26%.
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:15 PM   #12
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with 99...savant, Look at this studio, filled with fabulous prizes.
with the hand you had...Drive slower on Sundays, because K-mart sucks.
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:41 PM   #13
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fyp.

hate the river bet, not a single positive thing can happen
correct, as usual.
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:31 PM   #14
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fyp.

hate the river bet, not a single positive thing can happen
He could fold the chop, right?

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Old 03-13-2009, 05:39 PM   #15
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He could fold the chop, right?

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i mean, yea he could fold the chop but then your description of him being not retarded is off
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:47 PM   #16
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i mean, yea he could fold the chop but then your description of him being not retarded is off
Sorry if that was misleading. He is not retarded by Garden City standards, which require that you lose at least 5 big bets per hour. This gentleman probably only loses the standard 1 to 2. Of the 9 players at the table, there are clearly 2 or 3 that are worse than him.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:55 AM   #17
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Re: I am a savant, or just an idiot?

if villain folds anything here he is a retard.. that doesn't make you a genius.
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:24 AM   #18
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you goddamn savant!
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:30 AM   #19
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is that wat savant means a genius?

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a person of profound or extensive learning; learned scholar.
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Old 03-16-2009, 11:46 AM   #20
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is that wat savant means a genius?

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a person of profound or extensive learning; learned scholar.
actually first thing I think of when I hear the word savant is the savant syndrome.
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Old 03-16-2009, 01:55 PM   #21
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idiot-savant, like Dustin Hoffman's character in Rain Man.
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Old 03-16-2009, 03:40 PM   #22
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By local standards, though, he's not retarded.
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i mean, yea he could fold the chop but then your description of him being not retarded is off
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Sorry if that was misleading. He is not retarded by Garden City standards, which require that you lose at least 5 big bets per hour. This gentleman probably only loses the standard 1 to 2. Of the 9 players at the table, there are clearly 2 or 3 that are worse than him.
Your description of the villain was misleading in leaving out the "Garden City" part. One can be a drooling idiot and still be "not retarded by Garden City standards."

I don't like your river donk, but I'm glad it worked out for you.
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