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Old 08-02-2008, 02:07 PM   #1
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A high good?

BB is a 50 year old asian man who's appearance screams BAD LAG. His play thus far has not disappointed. Button is a cold-calling loose passive machine.

I open A 9 from the Cutoff. Button calls two cold (he's a machine) and the BB 3-bets. I call, button now back caps and I realize he has only 3 chips left. Crap. We both call.

12 small bets, 3 handed, with one player basically all in.

J J 5

BB bets, I call, button calls all in.

7.5 big bets, 3 players, one all in.

K

BB checks, I check.

5

BB bets into the 2 chip side pot....Hero ???
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Old 08-02-2008, 09:48 PM   #2
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Re: A high good?

Seems like a pretty easy call to me. BTN could easily be capping with ATC. The LAG is probably betting 100% of the time after you check the turn. Getting 9:1 I don't think I could fold in this situation.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:13 PM   #3
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Re: A high good?

i'll probably call also, but i wouldn't be surprised to see a Kx hand or a 66+ hand
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Old 08-03-2008, 12:00 PM   #4
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Re: A high good?

I think there's a difference between being a bad LAG and an idiot. Many bad LAGs still understand they're not supposed to bluff at dry or small side pots. His turn check may simply indicate that his reasonably good holding fears the fact that you have called him on paired board with another player all-in (never mind that so many bets went in preflop that you are peeling with lots of hands, his thought process probably doesn't go that far). Your check behind on the turn may have assured him that HHIG, and he may believe is now betting with the best hand on the river.
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:24 PM   #5
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Re: A high good?

I'm trying to figure out what the bad-lag would bet and why. It may simply be because "u check i bet." But looking at the fact that he can probably get a free showdown and play the board (granted you'd have to have QT or worse) is he hoping that you'll muck A-high and the button will mistakenly muck in disgust when BB rolls 44?

Now, the all in player should have Ax or PP a good amount of the time so you are probably calling 1 BB to win half of the 8 BB pot from either BB or BTN.

It's just so sick for BB to bet anything but 66+, Kx, or maybe Ax but he is by definition a sick betting machine. Gross-out call. If folding is a mistake it's not a big one.
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Old 08-03-2008, 03:48 PM   #6
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Re: A high good?

I called. He showed QQ, and apparently I had a mis-read (his turn check is befuddling).
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:35 PM   #7
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Re: A high good?

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I called. He showed QQ, and apparently I had a mis-read (his turn check is befuddling).
What is wrong with his turn check. He is now scared of a K as well. It would be a bad spot for him to bet, and be bluffed raised facing a board of KJJx with a flush draw out there. Call down and hope the flush misses and that is what your opponent has, or fold and hope he did have a K or a J...

Commentary: No, I am not randomly going through hands 2 months old to see if I missed anything interesting. I am reading Jesse's blog instead of working at work, and started from the beginning, and decided to comment. So there!
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:45 PM   #8
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Re: A high good?

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I think there's a difference between being a bad LAG and an idiot. .
I see people bluff this spot, or the turn with NHND online all day from everyone. Not constantly obviously but 13/7s(AKA NIT) AND 26/13(laggy fish type, standard "decent" live ~30 player) and 50/8 players.

I don't expect to win but a ton here but I'm not folding, especially because if he is bluffing with 0 SD value and the other guy takes it with 9 high or something I'm just going to feel like **** for the next two days.


Think of it as $40 to not feel like crap for two days, good medicine tbh!

EDIT: just saw your post. I think his turn check is fine, I mean what worse hands do you have and are calling with? Also, when the turn gets checked through you're sooooooo inclined to pay off light in this spot.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:59 PM   #9
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Re: A high good?

wheeeeee its only $40 throw it in!
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Old 10-11-2008, 08:44 AM   #10
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:43 AM   #11
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Old 10-11-2008, 12:52 PM   #12
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Re: A high good?

I don't think you need to call Jesse. It's seems hard to imagine he doesn't have you beat here. Anyway, it seems awfully unlikely that you can beat BOTH of them. Can the button have 67s here? Or is he somewhat sane. I would consider a semi-sane player coldcalling and getting it all in to have A high, a PP or Two random broadway cards. Against those hands you only beat the A highs and then only maybe. Given the fact you need BOTH players to have less than AT, I think a fold is justified.
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:33 PM   #13
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Re: A high good?

I obviously don't remember who the people were and can't really shed any more light on the reads I gave in the OP. When I first logged in today and saw two posts by me on the front page, my first thought was "zomg, account hacked, must call babar!", but I'm glad to see my blog is providing interesting entertainment for that_pope
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:05 PM   #14
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Re: A high good?

BBs play this entire hand - especially the turn - (regardless of understanding) is pretty solid.
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Old 10-12-2008, 11:37 PM   #15
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Re: A high good?

Agreed. Flop is debatable beause of the guy with enough to bet or whatever but betting this turn is a mistake.
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Old 10-13-2008, 03:37 AM   #16
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Re: A high good?

This is such a ****ty river spot, its very obviously close. Against any other player type the river is a fold. It is also a fold against a lot of bad lags, because alot of them will play honest oop in the bb, i.e. they would 3bet a pretty normal range. If he is this type it becomes a fold, but since you have a limited sample I think it is so close that it doesnt really matter much either, way but the crux is that this guy has to be pretty special to fire a bet into a 2chip dry side pot with A high or worse here.
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Old 10-13-2008, 04:16 AM   #17
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i think this river is a pretty easy fold.
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