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Old 05-12-2017, 07:19 PM   #26
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Re: A bad card after a good check back

You ignored everything I wrote. (1) I don't 4 bet but you say I should 4 bet everything to fairies my range (2) I said Utg limps cheese but you said he's raising all kinds of crappy so he'll get isolated light (3) I said I don't think utg leads turn with less than Ax but you think cutoff may riase JJ to isolate vs a range that's almost Ax+?
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:27 PM   #27
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You ignored everything I wrote. (1) I don't 4 bet but you say I should 4 bet everything to fairies my range
You should consider 4-betting AJ if QJ is in the button's range, which is pretty much exactly what I said before.

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(2) I said Utg limps cheese but you said he's raising all kinds of crappy so he'll get isolated light
YOU say he's getting re-raised by potentially QJ by a thinking player! What am I suppose to assume about his range from that? You could clarify on what you think his raising range is.

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(3) I said I don't think utg leads turn with less than Ax but you think cutoff may riase JJ to isolate vs a range that's almost Ax+?
I re-read all your posts, and you did not say that utg leads turn w less than Ax. You described a maniac who is being re-raised by potentially QJ. A thinking player would consider raising w/ JJ to iso against a potential bluff.
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:48 PM   #28
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I re-read all your posts, and you did not say that utg leads turn w less than Ax.
I think I did

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UTG opens wide but he's not leading turn without at least Ax here
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His utg opening range is prettg reasonable except maybee on light side with hand alike QTo and similar but it was 6 handed or something. The K4s and J7s and 45s stfff were mostly getting open limped
I thought these posts were somewhat clear, by they weren't included in OP to be fair, but you said you re read all my posts
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:55 PM   #29
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Re: A bad card after a good check back

I don't think QJ is in the button's range as described. If I have QJ there I am folding as described. No real reason to put button on potentially QJ.
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Old 05-13-2017, 08:02 AM   #30
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Re: A bad card after a good check back

Your pre-flop ranges are still somewhat unclear. I am betting most thinking players don't look at QJ and someone who raises lite with potentially QT and thinking, "OMG MUST 3BET". I mean you beat QT, but lose to the others. So either opener is opening lighter, or button is three-betting narrower, or button does not think very much.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:03 AM   #31
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Re: A bad card after a good check back

Call and eval river imo. River an ace ez game
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:04 PM   #32
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Donking this flop is bad, OP is playing 200/400 not 10/20. Turn is a call but KQ gonna get up in that ass if we river broadway.
I was thinking OP was in position for some reason. I have nothing of value to add to this thread.
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Old 06-12-2017, 01:44 AM   #33
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If this is an easy call, you should be capping preflop.
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Old 06-14-2017, 05:29 AM   #34
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you should be capping preflop.
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