Same aggro image as before, villian in this hand probably thinks I am pretty aggro in general but I think he respects my play. Asian dude with fu-man-chu, probably winner in this game. Generally TAG player, aggro postflop but pretty tight pre-flop. He has been raising a little wider pre-flop today because 1) He seems to hate the limper in this hand, he has raised a lot of his limps and 3 bet his raises twice and 2) the kid on his right is raising 10 high and he is isolating him.

Hand: Limper limps in EP (pair, suit ace, K10 type hands), Villian raises in the CO, I call A5 in the SB (I dont fold), and the BB calls (he is loose and awful). 4 to the flop.

Flop comes 234

Checks to Villian who bets, all 3 of us call.

Turn is the 4

I donk, fold, fold, villian raises. I pause for a sec to think about hwo to maximize the monies and villian says "I know you don't have a 4"

I 3 bet, he 4 bets, I 5 bet because I A-N-I-M-A-L

i probably fold pf

given that you didnt, raise the flop because you have a S-T-R-A-I-G-H-T

Raising the flop would be awful here. I have the virtual nuts with the nut flush draw. It is likely that everyone excpet maybe the BB is drawing stone dead. The raisies can easily have just 2 overcards which he will fold ont he turn. the other 2 players are likely to fold if I c/r and they are now facing 2 bets. I called hoping theyd pick up a pair on the turn.

Do you have a question? Lead the flop. 5 bet seems pretty close considering he doesn't seem to care that you might have a straight or trips which are pretty strong possibilities considering that you donked the turn into 3 other players and 3bet.

I'd probably just call the 4bet and consider c/r'ing some rivers (and folding to a 3bet). I'd need a little stronger read that he spews with overpairs to keep pumping this pot.

A general concept in poker, my dear sir, is to bet out into a field when you hold a monster hand, thus trapping everyone in between you and the source of preflop aggression.

Applied correctly, this concept will lead to many profits.

re: raising the flop - again, when one has an aggressive image, usually the best way to capitalize is by raising very strong hands on the flop, which induces aggressive counter action from even tight players.

flop donk would've been good, but c/c > c/r i agree.

i think the 5 bet is really horrible, especially considering his speech.

bet the flop pls.

five betting the turn is like burning a bet and a half. I think you're drawing close to dead pretty much always after the speech. Sometimes you're chopping so that's nice.

for christ's sake donk the flop.

5 betting turn is spew imo

u animal

Any ace is drawing to a chop and people like to pound the flop and since any other fd also has over cards you might get them to put in alot of action on flop but they aint gonna put alot in on the turn.

P.S. just a quick q. What hand are that you are giving a cheap look at the turn is all the sudden gonna wake up on the turn and give you the action you missed on the flop? a turned set maybe? then they have like 10 outs to improve.

I hope you hit your straight flush.

cmon mitch no strat in medium stakes

I bet the people who lead the flop here are pretty easy to play against

eta: Not that I think leading the flop here is bad. I think it's fine if you're also leading with a bunch of other Ax and Kx FDs. But if you're only using the weak-lead with monsters...You're just playing into the hands of good players.

i don't really buy your argument. i bet you can't think of many players who make you think "lol monster always" when they donk the flop in a spot like this. it's just that non-monsters occur so much more often than monsters that even if you play non-monsters like this a very small % of the time it's enough for you opponents to doubt you. (and even if you don't, most of them will never notice).

I can't imagine not donking the nutfd.

Not in multiway pots.

I'm just saying


In my experience, there are some good, solid, winning players I've played against who would never lead this flop without exactly A5s, 22, 33, or 44. I could peel one and fold 88 on a 2/3/4 turn, no joke. I know there are a lot of people who don't give much weight to the idea of balance...But really, it's important

boc this is live california poker, nobody gives a flying eff what the small blind is donking into with.

obv lead flop, but its understandable that you didnt since its so easy to just autocheck when the flop comes out first to act. If I spaced out and did not donk the flop, it would be pretty close between c/r'ing and calling, but i'd prob just c/r amd take it from there.

chris turn seems like a huge spew to me. i mean, isn't "i know you don't have a 4" like the most obvious tell for "i hope you have a 4 because it doesn't matter to me if you do but i want you to put me on overs"?

Nina,

You wanna hang out sometime? I'm always looking for that elusive trifecta.

I wish there was a CORRECT picture I could post. I dont usually let these speeches affect my play one way or the other, but if it was close (not that I think this turn spot is) I would probably just call based on the speech.

Meh. I planned on folding to a 6 bet because there is no doubt I am drawing dead and it costs me the same as calling down. NO one really has tried to put him on a hand. 33 and 22 seem a little loose pre flo for this guy.

gutterball straight flush with infinite implied odds!

As far as putting him on a hand goes, since you say 22/33 are too loose for this guy, then AA/55 seem as likely as anything I can think of.

Mitch, obv the absolute, soul-owning expert move is to fold face up, but no one is good enough to do that, so ya, calling is the move.

Chris, in your read you point out that he's got a boner for the limper.... isnt this the kind of thing that would make 22/33 plausible?

EDIT: let's not forget 44. jackpot hand!

cgrohman--

"I know you don't have a 4."

This would have me pissing my pants in fear. General rule of live poker: if an opponent wonders aloud if you have hand X, he can beat hand X. (Yes, there are a few exceptions.)

--Nate