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Does anyone know what's going on w/ propokertools.com? The site seems unreachable, but I haven't seen a thing regarding it (nor anything posted).


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I prefer going after Labor Day. Football starts and people sending it in at Bellagio sportsbook makes for good 20 and sometimes 40 games on weekends. I went out in August for my birthday before and the games were mostly reg filled.

I just used it yesterday . . .

Weird. I tried it on my iPhone and connected fine. Laptop, on the other hand, I'm still not reaching the page.

No issue from my laptop all weekend.

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I am curious whether anyone has purchased a version PioSOLVER, and what they think about it?

I tried a demo version, it was cool but seemed like for a limit player CREV does everything I would need it for anyway. It also uses a lot of computing power.

Many thanks.

A follow-up on my adventures in non-holdem, non-Ignition online poker:

WPN is pretty damn cool and I don't understand why it doesn't get more traffic. They basically try to mimic the experience of 2011 Pokerstars in 2017. Unfortunately, most of the player pool seems to be competent regs who love the rewards program. There are some awful US rec players, but even the best games don't compare to the old Bovada games. LHE is pretty dead, but the games can sometimes be very good. They can also be pretty reg-infested. I have played HUHU for an hour with a loose-passive at 10/20. And I have sat in countless 1 moderately bad rec player + 4 Russian/Euro/US reg lineups. The rec players just haven't seemed to find this site. The addition of Russian and European players to the pool is obviously a negative, as they are almost all tough regs who have survived Pokerstars.

SWC is awesome in theory. The rakeback is great. Every game is available. The lack of traffic is just brutal though. That being said, being able to play games like badeucy and badacey makes it mandatory to keep some money on here imo. 30 minutes of donking around in draw/mixed games can make poker fun again. They also have tons of tourneys with entry fees around $10 for the mixed/draw games. If you join the tourney 30 minutes before it starts and advertise it in the global chat room, you will usually end up with 3-10 more opponents by the time late reg ends. But playing for serious money on this site is nearly impossible. Anything cash above micros is pretty dead. It is very tough to multi-site, as there is no HUD and the draw/stud variants require you to pay close attention to the action. Bonus: If you are interested in investing in bitcoins, SWC allows you to both invest and grind at the same time.

Some thoughts on non-holdem games:

Stud variants - I think stud 8 is especially awesome. Stud hi is also fun. Razz grows on me. I can see why holdem took over though. Stud is very complicated and experts have a massive edge. Additionally, even the worst rec players seem forced to accept that they need to play much tighter on third street than they do in flop games.

Draw games - Badeucy and badacey are amazing. 2-7 TD and Badugi are fun too. But I somewhat dislike how technical and mathy the latter 2 are. For example, I imagine it is very possible to play near perfectly on the river in 2-7 TD in a heads up pot after both drawing 1 card. But this seems extremely difficult in Badeucy and Badacey. Also, I have never seen rec players play worse than they do in Badeucy and Badacey. Even if they know the rules, they are basically like "Is it humanly possible for me to win half the pot? If yes, continue"... even moreso than in LO8.

LO8 - The rec players seem to just lose their minds in this game and bump their VPIPs 20-30 points over their holdem numbers. It is fun, but it can move pretty slowly. After making a good fold pre-flop, it can take 2+ minutes for the chasers to finally finish the hand. But LO8 games are almost always soft.

Big bet games - Big bet games suck. But learning the basics of NL 2-7 single draw is a great way to abuse people in 12-game or dealer's choice.

Mixed games - These are the best. I just wish we had more access to them online. Live players definitely get this one right. Excellent test of skill? Yes. Soft games? Yes. By far the most fun? Yes. These should in theory thrive online since the games will obviously move much faster than they do live. I wish more sites would offer mixed games. That being said, building your own "mixed game" by multi-tabling different games can be fun.

It gets even more comical at live. Games I play in, guys routinely call 3 cold with hands like 8764, KJT9 and Q998. Of course the # of times they go ahead and crack my AA25 for the whole pot gets old after awhile .

Can confirm ACR games are sometimes good, but mostly reg-infested. Also has some of the worst tanking I have ever seen; certain combos of regs will grind your table down to 75 hands/hour, which is obviously incredibly annoying because they inevitably bore the fish

Any suggestions for a good live casino to give non-holdem/mixed games a try? I am looking for games in the 20/40-40/80 range that are on the soft side. And of course, I would need the games to run daily to justify flying out. If it's a mixed game, I would prefer to avoid extremely offbeat mixes... nothing weirder than Badeucy/badacey for my first time. My research thus far leads me to:

Talking Stick/CAZ: The 8/16 and 20/40 OE games look like they usually run, but I have heard that the mix tends towards very offbeat games and am worried that the lineup is on the tough side. Still at the top of my list due to the 20/40 OE though.

Foxwoods - seems like the place to be for stud hi

Canterbury - The 40/80 mix runs frequently on Bravo, but no idea what is in the mix.

Bellagio - I have heard the 40/80 mix is fairly standard when it runs, but that the 80/160 is very offbeat. There seems to be 20/40 O8 with a half kill and 30/60 stud hi pretty often, but unreliable.

Non-Commerce LA card rooms - Pokeratlas is much less helpful than Bravo, but it sounds like there are options here.

Commerce - I mostly see stud hi or very high stakes mixed games listed.

Thanks for any suggestions!

Jdr, the guys who play extremely slowly are indeed a cancer and one of the best arguments for eliminating volume-based rakeback. Many of them are grinding 10+ tables. I need to try some of that live O8... I don't seem to be good enough yet to deal with semi-competent lineups lol.

Good luck finding a semi competent live lineup

IanJ going to ship the main and become the ultimate limit traitor.

Bike has 12/24 Big O/Stud 8. Don't know about other mid-stakes mix, but you can find mid-stakes Stud Hi (Commerce), Stud 8 (Commerce sometimes), and Omaha (Hollywood Park) too.

Well you're in luck at most any live game where O8 is spread!

40/80 at Canterbury plays from the following games: holdem, stud-8, stud hi, razz, Omaha, omaha-8, big o, big o hi only

The players vote on the games by majority when the game starts, and they can add or remove games if there are 0-1 objections.

They usually stick to holdem, big o, stud-8, sometimes with 2 rounds of big o. The table usually has 4-5 pros.

You are completely wrong here. When he ships the main event, it just proves that being a limit boss means that easier games just come as a bonus.

Yeah but is NL really easier ?

You can make an argument that nl tournaments are easier for sure.


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Sorry but my experience is far less notable in no tourney than it is in limit.

Does the possible argument be about , often we do not play for a long time with 100 bb stack in tourney ( unless of course we are in the lead or close of it ) but usually with much less ?

Friendly 20/40 game. A guy is racked up and UTG. Says he will take one more hand, and if it's Aces, he'll fold it face up.

He proceeds to be dealt Aces, and true to his word, folds them face up.

O/U on how much he was up is like $120?