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Originally Posted by stinkypete
A long time reg live mid stakes grinder who knows all the players but was never a GTO wizard has way more postflop exploitation in his game. A player like that might actually be a loser if he tried to play the same strategy against everyone
This was literally me in 2013. I transitioned from a strong winning exploitative button clicker playing 40/80 live into a GTO robot and only played the exact strategies I modeled for 6months-1yr while I learned. I want to clarify: I am not playing GTO itself (no one can) but a model I created after spending thousands of hours studying it~ I'm able to hit GTO frequncies at game speed very reliably today.
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Originally Posted by OnTheRail15
Put it this way: I can't play perfectly optimal poker and wouldn't even if I could, but optimal strategies inform most of what I do at the table. Put another way, a game's solution *literally* describes the game itself. Hence, my comment.
I 100% agree with OTR here. The optimal strategies impact basically everything I do at the table - My entire style is modeled fundamentally around them.
During my GTO robot phase, my winrate was only ~75% of what it was exploitatively. Once I had memorized my GTO approach... I added back in the exploitative deviations but now with an extremely strong understanding of the game~ I also now had the ability to identify exactly where people were off + by how much.
Today, using exploitative play on top of GTO fundamentals:
-) I easily destroy my old winrate against all the fish, and I win WAY more with exploiting than I used to.
-) I easily destroy my old winrate against good players. I don't have to worry about losing vs world class guys. I regularly beat exploitative pros who have leaks in their game as well.
-) I also don't have to worry about inducing counterexploitation by overexploiting myself. When my opponents XC range is too weak.. I can increase my turn bet from 70% to 80% while not going to 100%. Opponent has no idea what's going on, but this has significant impact exploitatively. The strongest exploitative styles are the ones where the opponent has no idea what is going on + we don't fix their mistakes by overexploiting.
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
And of course, tons of it depends on game quality too. It would be interesting to know how much more an expert player wins than a straight GTO wizard when the 90/70 fish sits in a game. I wouldn't even want to take a guess at that.
GTO wizards are the expert players.
For real guys, "GTO Player" doesn't mean you stop exploiting. They aren't 2 separate things. <3
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Originally Posted by stinkypete
You don't give people enough credit.
I have an underwhelmingly low opinion of humanity
Last edited by avoidthe9to5; 05-20-2017 at 01:34 AM.