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05-01-2017 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeRebooted
I guess my question is whether you are finding it valuable, or if you think that the fundamentals it focuses on are too elementary for someone who has given some thought/study to NLHE but has mostly focused on the limited hold 'ems.
I've watched 90% of upswings content - It's not for advanced players at all. It has good concepts for people who are brand new to nlhe theory
05-01-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LifeRebooted
I guess my question is whether you are finding it valuable, or if you think that the fundamentals it focuses on are too elementary for someone who has given some thought/study to NLHE but has mostly focused on the limited hold 'ems.
I think it's perfect for my current level. My only complaint is that the content is somewhat random and disorganized, but this has always been the norm for online poker content from pretty much any source. And it is still far more coherent than any other poker training site I have encountered. I plan to finish all of the content and then go through it 1-2 more times before I "graduate" to more advanced study.
05-01-2017 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
The barrier (which may not be a problem for avoidthe9to5) is that there's no mix games ladder, you have to enter at a pretty high level.

There's an NL ladder and even 2/5ish stakes is enough to survive short-term; you can move up to 5/10 and 10/20-10/25 as you see fit.
Yea but this barrier to entry is massively offset by being able to play Hi stakes HT when they will be a huge favorite in half of the games and the other takes all of 4 days to become somewhat competent in
05-01-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Yea but this barrier to entry is massively offset by being able to play Hi stakes HT when they will be a huge favorite in half of the games and the other takes all of 4 days to become somewhat competent in
super looking fwd to getting into 2-7 theory =D We've done maybe 10-20 hours of work on it to date. #snowingFtw
05-01-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
Yea but this barrier to entry is massively offset by being able to play Hi stakes HT when they will be a huge favorite in half of the games and the other takes all of 4 days to become somewhat competent in
There are no mix games near me, so all I know is what I've read. Aren't the games set in situ? How often do you get to play exactly HT, without losing H because people vote it out or adding a complex game like O8 because the fish want it?
05-01-2017 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
There are no mix games near me, so all I know is what I've read. Aren't the games set in situ? How often do you get to play exactly HT, without losing H because people vote it out or adding a complex game like O8 because the fish want it?
At commerce basically everyday (HT), in AZ basically never
05-01-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
At commerce basically everyday (HT), in AZ basically never
Is the 100/200 HT really that soft? The holdem edge is obvious, but are people dumping in 2-7 often?
05-01-2017 , 09:30 PM
Actually I think it's been pretty tough most of the time I've played it. There's def some very good games but I think there are a lot of very good refs out there.

On the other hand when all the ex Holdem wizards are all paying mix it will really dilute the Holdem pool and make those games a lot better
05-01-2017 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
It make sense if you only play online but otherwise it's surprising you guys would focus on NL rather the mixed.

Just randomly looking at bravo now the available games are 5-10 NL or 2-400 mix in LA

2-5 or 75-150 at parx
You're cherry-picking the only mixed game on the entire east coast at the moment for this post. And it runs something like twice a week. So if you're not there for the start what are the chances you get in? And does 2-4 run every day at Commerce? You can play 2-5 NL with table selection at casinos everywhere.

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Originally Posted by callipygian
The barrier (which may not be a problem for avoidthe9to5) is that there's no mix games ladder, you have to enter at a pretty high level.

There's an NL ladder and even 2/5ish stakes is enough to survive short-term; you can move up to 5/10 and 10/20-10/25 as you see fit.
5-10 NL is still only marginally less rare than mixed games, Bravo shows ~15 games this big running now in North America. 10-25+ NL is a rare beast outside of WSOP and maybe weekends at some big casinos (San Jose casinos notwithstanding, they're not on Bravo, I think Matrix has 10-25 several days a week). No real experience in these as I switched to LHE and mixed once I beat 2-5 at a steady clip, I'll still play 2-5 while waiting for other games and these are usually filled with terrible players.

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Originally Posted by avoidthe9to5
Is the 100/200 HT really that soft? The holdem edge is obvious, but are people dumping in 2-7 often?
^this
I think your edge in 2-5 NL will be enormous, and I suppose you're likely to be one of the better players at 5-10. Your edge in mixed will be notably smaller since the stakes usually mean more serious players (not universal of course, but getting in the good games could be tough, check out Oscillator's thread in PGC, 10K on the Table).

I guess a lot boils down to where you live or are willing to move to play. If you were in CT I'd suggest becoming a stud expert, and quickly, before everyone at the 75 FW game dies of old age.
05-01-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by quantph
check out Oscillator's thread in PGC, 10K on the Table).
Thanks! Good read on the PGC 10k thread
05-01-2017 , 11:30 PM
foxwoods has mix and so does borgata. florida casinos too although probably a bit smaller. chicago has mix too and so does minnesota
05-01-2017 , 11:32 PM
Does it have more/different content than his blog?

https://www.brandonshackharris.com/10kott
05-01-2017 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Does it have more/different content than his blog?

https://www.brandonshackharris.com/10kott
Same content sans the horrible graphics
05-02-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon_locke
It make sense if you only play online but otherwise it's surprising you guys would focus on NL rather the mixed.

Just randomly looking at bravo now the available games are 5-10 NL or 2-400 mix in LA

2-5 or 75-150 at parx
There's always San Jose. They generally have 6, 8, 20, 40 and usually an 80 LHE game running.
05-02-2017 , 06:37 PM
Unless you are a live poker professional in a small city (or Macau) that holds a 5-10 or higher NL as its highest stakes poker game and doesn't have any comparable stakes limit poker or PLO action, transitioning to NL (or investing any significant mental energy into NL) in 2017 is an objectively poor decision. US based online players should be looking to quit poker, move abroad to play online, or relocate to a place with a worthwhile live poker economy, non-US online players should be playing PLO and people living in places with an actual live poker economy should be played limit holdem or mixed games.
05-02-2017 , 09:04 PM
<3 HOWMANY


So you think NL is on the verge of dying like was predicted in the early 2000s?
05-02-2017 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Sean Snyder
Unless you are a live poker professional in a small city (or Macau) that holds a 5-10 or higher NL as its highest stakes poker game and doesn't have any comparable stakes limit poker or PLO action, transitioning to NL (or investing any significant mental energy into NL) in 2017 is an objectively poor decision. US based online players should be looking to quit poker, move abroad to play online, or relocate to a place with a worthwhile live poker economy, non-US online players should be playing PLO and people living in places with an actual live poker economy should be played limit holdem or mixed games.
=D

live lhe games are awesome in LA, but the 5/10 nl can be amazing as well~ 10/20 is definitely hit+miss - lots of those pros suffering this year. Always nice to have more games to select from imo as a live pro.

Got my eye on live PLO already =P
05-02-2017 , 10:25 PM
Wow. HOWMANY love. Good to see Sean around. He's my wife's favorite poker player. Maybe 2nd behind Hammerin Hank. Basically, is HH everyone's wife's favorite poker personality?
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Originally Posted by avoidthe9to5
Got my eye on live PLO already =P
You also have the benefit of a TV gig to make things worthwhile that might not matter as much from a strictly poker EV viewpoint.

PLO is like crack. PLO/8? Sweet science.
05-02-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DougL
You also have the benefit of a TV gig to make things worthwhile that might not matter as much from a strictly poker EV viewpoint.
Definitely adds massive edge for me outside of raw gameplay between the show + coaching above exploitative NLHE levels. I really enjoy NLHE theory tbh. 90% of the field is using incorrect bet sizings + frequencies for cbets, especially oop... still lots of edge to be had at high levels of play.

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Originally Posted by DougL
PLO is like crack. PLO/8? Sweet science.
the 5/5/10 is unreal good. fun game, action + lots of bsing/drinking. very likely the most enjoyable game in the house thanks to limon's work
05-02-2017 , 10:56 PM
New favorite hat. Now everyone can spot me super easily at Commerce

05-02-2017 , 10:59 PM
Where does one acquire such a hat. I am sure if I turned up wearing it to CAZ, I could sell it for a profit.
05-02-2017 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Does it have more/different content than his blog?

https://www.brandonshackharris.com/10kott
Are there any other blogs like this that cover the high stakes mixed game / poker world?
05-03-2017 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by that_pope
Where does one acquire such a hat. I am sure if I turned up wearing it to CAZ, I could sell it for a profit.
Mine was a gift from a student =D Best gift ever
05-03-2017 , 01:20 AM
wow that was a cool read.

I was confused as **** what "PGC 10k thread" is. is pgc a person? a website?

****ing acronyms. making me do all this searching and a whole 30 seconds of work
05-03-2017 , 01:40 AM
Here is the link for people who can't put in the effort like bk did.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...table-1651059/

      
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