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07-04-2017 , 08:31 AM
private game about 5 AM utg who is decent player playing badly raises huge fish calls decent player calls i 3 bet from the small blind with KK.

flop Qs 5s 4d

i lead initial raiser calls, fish raises, decent player calls, what is everyones action from here on out i do not have K of spades
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07-04-2017 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by crushedice19
private game about 5 AM utg who is decent player playing badly raises huge fish calls decent player calls i 3 bet from the small blind with KK.

flop Qs 5s 4d

i lead initial raiser calls, fish raises, decent player calls, what is everyones action from here on out i do not have K of spades
Raise
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07-04-2017 , 08:38 AM
Check- raise the non-spade (non-ace, non-queen) turn, because your hand is strong and fish is going to bet the flush draw on the turn anyway.
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07-04-2017 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
Check- raise the non-spade (non-ace, non-queen) turn, because your hand is strong and fish is going to bet the flush draw on the turn anyway.
The turn will check through a lot. This is an easy flop jam barrel. You've got three people tied to the pot and a turn c/r will shut people out
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07-04-2017 , 09:00 AM
And depending on the flavor of the fish you need to be prepared to donk the turn if the flop is capped cause you're about to be free carded a lot by some people
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07-04-2017 , 09:45 AM
Number of players pre-flop is relevant for assigning everyone ranges but raising flop looks good, bloating the pot on this texture with an overpair should be +ev, might as well go for value now since turn and river can be challenging (and hero should not be planning on going for a xr on turn)
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07-04-2017 , 10:01 AM
Standard fish I agree but uber fish as I see it never misses an opportunity to bet ahead or behind.
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07-04-2017 , 10:06 AM
OP, what hands is "huge fish" following through on the turn with?
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07-04-2017 , 10:35 AM
OOP and a fairly wet board, just 3bet and keep betting.
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07-04-2017 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulValente
OOP and a fairly wet board, just 3bet and keep betting.
+1
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07-04-2017 , 02:13 PM
Turn is getting bet unless it's the As.
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07-04-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
Turn is getting bet unless it's the As.
Also a Q would be bad. And the 3s seems like a dickish card
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07-04-2017 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
Turn is getting bet unless it's the As.
It is not HU and not sure the overcaller call a turn bet, so collect him now imo.
Maybe the fish would not bet a K either ? Who knows .
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07-04-2017 , 02:47 PM
I didn't say we weren't jamming flop. That seems obvious. I'm just saying I'm not checking turn unless it's a really really really bad card.
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07-04-2017 , 04:01 PM
I'd be more apt to delay versus the decent player, even if he's frustrated and potentially on tilt.

Against the yahoo that raised the flop, he's trying to free card way too often and I'd 3 bet immediately with or without a spade.
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07-04-2017 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I didn't say we weren't jamming flop. That seems obvious. I'm just saying I'm not checking turn unless it's a really really really bad card.
Oops sorry
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07-05-2017 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbo
I didn't say we weren't jamming flop. That seems obvious. I'm just saying I'm not checking turn unless it's a really really really bad card.
+1. A better question is do we donk the turn if fish caps flop? I probably just lead any non-spade turn taking a second look at the flop action.

Last edited by 6MaxLHE; 07-05-2017 at 03:08 PM.
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07-06-2017 , 01:35 PM
the fish will bet 100% of turns. I know that jamming flop seems obvious. I opted to call and planed to raise safe turn in this spot wanted to see if that was anyone else's instinct. Results of hand... i didnt even get to execute my plan. turn was a 3 fish bet and cold caller raised i ended up folding to the 2 bets on the turn. the winning hand was 6 7 of spades
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07-06-2017 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by crushedice19
the fish will bet 100% of turns. I know that jamming flop seems obvious. I opted to call and planed to raise safe turn in this spot wanted to see if that was anyone else's instinct. Results of hand... i didnt even get to execute my plan. turn was a 3 fish bet and cold caller raised i ended up folding to the 2 bets on the turn. the winning hand was 6 7 of spades
My read was that your read was that fish bets 100%. Though other opponent may have a lone queen to iso against fish. I'd make a live decision, but from what you said, I'm not convinced you're beat here.

I'd fold unless I thought my opponent might bluff here w a turned draw, or overplay a Q to get it to hold up. Good fold btw.
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07-07-2017 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by crushedice19
the fish will bet 100% of turns. I know that jamming flop seems obvious. I opted to call and planed to raise safe turn in this spot wanted to see if that was anyone else's instinct. Results of hand... i didnt even get to execute my plan. turn was a 3 fish bet and cold caller raised i ended up folding to the 2 bets on the turn. the winning hand was 6 7 of spades
So I guess you lost the minimum in this hand, but I would advise not being swayed by the results. So far you have seen a player you described as decent but not great:

(a) raise pre flop and then not cap after you 3bet the SB;
(b) cold call after you bet flop and a bad player raised;
(c) raise turn after you chose to call the flop and check the turn and the bad player bet.

This line is very, very consistent with a strong Qx hand - especially from a good-but-not-great player. This is a gross spot, and you are going to find yourself getting squeezed quite a bit here (including by worse hands) if you check turn intending to c/r the bad player. You largely avoid this problem if you just 3bet the flop and lead most turns.

To answer someone else's question: if you 3bet and it gets 4bet behind you, I would lead pretty much any non-spade, non-A turn. I might check a 3 or an 8 . I would not 3bet any card except the one remaining non-spade K.
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