I'm guessing he meant because I can't have A9 or 33? Although I could have AA or 99, so I still have some very big hands in my range.

I think he meant polarized in that when you raise the turn you almost never have anything worse than a big ace

I guess I could have KQ

But when he says "capped" that seems to mean I can't have anything better than something, not anything worse. Capped at the bottom?

I think he meant polarized, not capped.

And yeah like you could have a couple flush draws, but the SB donks the flop it's rarely a 'bluff', and your line is really strong and should be prepared to beat ace rag

Are we really worried about how strong our line is when we raise a guy who cold calls a late position open from the SB and donks A93tt?

/tilt

Of course not

i mean, how much have you seen from this guy? if a lot, and he's consistently passive and you haven't seen him do this before, i might talk myself into folding. you can simply never be expected to fold in this spot given the line you took from the perspective of a passive tourist. i see that everybody here wants to make the cry call b/c it is ofc a very big mistake if you fold and you're wrong; however, i don't see how, if you've seen enough of this guy's play, and he is indeed passive and doesn't k/r bluff from what you've seen, that he could have anything less than AT here. sure it's weird if he has 99 here, but it's also weird that he donked an A93hh flop after just calling pf too.

the key for me is how sure i am that i have a bead on this guy being passive. if there's a chance that read is wrong then yea, gotta pay it off. but you don't need all that much in this kind of a spot to get a sense for how passive a tourist can be.

If I'm going to make an exploitative fold it is against a LP tourist who just came to life and x/r the river.

He was pretty loose passive preflop; not necessarily post flop. I believe I had seen him caught bluffing at least one time prior to this hand, although not a check-raise bluff on the river.

Then call. There is a non-zero chance he missed hearts or is delaying AK for value.

Played perfectly, whether he had A-9 or A-8.

I did call the river, honestly without really considering a fold, but in hindsight was thinking that maybe I should have folded. It was a pretty big pot, but how often do weak players at 20/40 check-raise bluff the river? Villain showed ATo.

Not often, but the last thing you want here is this guy saying "good fold, I had it" as he courtesy shows AQ.

If you dont feel this way often then you're probably folding too much. It's a sanity check post. You make this call once, you feel nothing. After 20 loses in a row you start to feel like an idiot, and you just need someone to say it sucks but you gotta lose that money and reset the tank to zero. It's like cumulative bad beats but stealthier because you know a bad beat sucks but these kind of hands wear on your sanity.

Get yourself a poker buddy who you can occasionally text or PM. Rattle off a bunch of hands that he can read in 30 seconds, and confirm that yes, it sucks, but what else can you do but go back to playimg

Aren't you that poker buddy?

He was for this hand....thanks ZOMG and his assistants who contributed.

very smart.

As for the people saying to slowplay AK preflrop, you have a spewtard on the button and a recreational playing in the money...way too much equity to pass up. The spew guy could give you lots of action postflop.

I dunno...what kind of player is taking this line with AQ here? I think you can actually find a fold here. Its super exploitative (and exploitable obv) but if it really is a predicatable fish touristy type theres just like 0% chance he has less than one. Game speed I probably call too and I think you played it perfectly but yea in hindsight I think you can fold and fold quick so it looks like you were bluffing

"Oh man I have AQ and this guy has raised, I better make sure the river isn't a heart so that my AQ remains the nuts. Oh good, it's not a heart, I will check raise for value now".

Plus you never know when a player like this has like 5h4h, missed everything and is now just check raising out of anger / desperation. Plus we can chop; passive dudes love to underplay AK preflop because "drawing hand".

Yeah, I just think you need more history with the guy to make this big of an adjustment. "He's a stupid tourist" isn't enough imo.

I've only been playing 20/40 for like 4 months and I've already seen AQ take an over-aggressive line like this about half a dozen times.

For what it's worth, both Like and I live in the New England area, and are more accustomed to games full of old man coffee types over games full of people who make overly aggressive value raises. I'm sure there's tons of players we've both played in which I'd say "lol snap fold" if we got check raised on this river, because they have AT like always. So if he's used to games and players like that, I can totally see him being surprised that a guy w/ loose passive tendencies preflop can become enigmatic and spazzy post.

It's why I'd rather consider whether players are simply bad or not when playing w/out history, because bad players just always have ranges that they shouldn't have, constantly.

YOMCMV. When I used to get raised on the river here by an old man with AQ they usually thought they were trapping me the whole time

The kind of player who would always 4! Ak with your hand pre instead of flat

You guys know OP raised the turn, right? If SB has anything less than one pair or perhaps AK I would certainly make note of it and this guy almost never gonna get close fold from me for a long time. I dont think its impossible for him to have it but I do think it would be very surprising.