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20/40 game at Bellagio; good game with a lot of new faces in town for the busy WSOP time of year.

LAG I have played with before (probably a loser, but not a big one) opens from the cutoff. He open raises a lot and also cold calls often preflop. Often calls or raises flop light.

A tourist calls in the SB. Haven't played with him before, but he seems pretty loose passive preflop, often open limping and cold calling.

I have A

and 3-bet; both call.

Flop is A93 with 2 hearts (can't remember which). SB donks, I just call, CO calls.

Turn 3 (not heart); SB bets, I raise, CO folds, SB calls.

River T (not heart); SB checks, I bet.

Last edited by chillrob; 06-07-2017 at 04:04 AM. Reason: I had AK as title states; OP first mistakenly said AJ

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06-07-2017 , 04:02 AM

ZOMG_RIGGED!

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Easy game.

Did SB have AK?

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06-07-2017 , 08:27 AM

monikrazy

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Seems like close to a mandatory raise on the flop, what am I missing?

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06-07-2017 , 09:36 AM

PaulValente

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I don't mind a little slow play on such a dry board, especially with a spewer behind you. I like it.

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06-07-2017 , 10:52 AM

jdr0317

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What does your preflop 3 betting range look like here? And why is it that way?

As played (I certainly don't think 3 betting AK pre is bad, but it could shut down action later on in the hand against non-idiots), your line looks 150% standard and good. I'd call the flop looking to raise turn or back-3 bet a ton. Would consider folding if I got check raised on a 3rd heart river.

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06-07-2017 , 10:52 AM

jdr0317

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

Seems like close to a mandatory raise on the flop, what am I missing?

Why?

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06-07-2017 , 03:29 PM

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with a heart in my hand i would like a flop call better
pf can go call or 3bet imo.

you have great relative position anyway by not 3betting pf and trapping sb in between .

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06-07-2017 , 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ZOMG_RIGGED!

Easy game.

Did SB have A9?

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06-07-2017 , 04:04 PM

chillrob

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Never seen a post with people so impatient for results....they will come eventually.

Mostly was wondering what people thought about the smooth call on flop and a little bit about the reraise preflop. I don't think the latter is giving my hand strength away; against these two guys in those positions I could 3-bet a good number of hands there.

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06-07-2017 , 04:25 PM

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steveistheman84

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i think i only flat in bb pre if against good players. nh.

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06-07-2017 , 04:26 PM

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PaulValente

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I don't 3b pre here often but it seems like a must with these players. I don't think they'll be thinking much about our range and btn sounds like the type we want to give a chance to spew.

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06-07-2017 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by steveistheman84

i think i only flat in bb pre if against good players. nh.

If I 3bet you from the BB it's either an insult or a big compliment.

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06-07-2017 , 04:32 PM

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I don't see anyone asking for results. I was pointing your typo before everyone got confused.

Standard hand. PF is fine and is probably a mistake not to three bet. Flop call is better if you had a heart but still good absent reads that sb only donks looking to b/3b or won't bet the turn if you just call

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06-07-2017 , 04:34 PM

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I don't 3b pre here often but it seems like a must with these players. I don't think they'll be thinking much about our range and btn sounds like the type we want to give a chance to spew.

This. Sometimes you need to give people a little more rope

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06-07-2017 , 04:39 PM

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Yeah I'm sold and 100% on board w/ how you played this, Rob.

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06-07-2017 , 04:42 PM

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asmitty

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Hand is great on all streets. If SB checked turn, I would b3b.

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06-07-2017 , 04:45 PM

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OK, here's the final piece of the puzzle:

...River T (not heart); SB checks, I bet...SB raises. I...

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06-07-2017 , 04:52 PM

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Hand is great on all streets. If SB checked turn, I would b3b.

Versus a raise from either player?

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06-07-2017 , 04:57 PM

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OK, here's the final piece of the puzzle:

...River T (not heart); SB checks, I bet...SB raises. I...

Gross.

Cry call and expect to lose. I think you get shown AT a lot from this player type here.

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06-07-2017 , 05:06 PM

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Gross.

Cry call and expect to lose. I think you get shown AT a lot from this player type here.

What's the lowest ace you'd take this full line with and then call the river c/r?

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06-07-2017 , 05:09 PM

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What's the lowest ace you'd take this full line with and then call the river c/r?

Hand waving but probably some sort of way of ratio-ing out AJ. My worry about overfolding in this spot is that a player like SB may not realize he didn't get there w/ T9, or just thinks his AJ is the nuts because kicker plays. I'd probably be more apt to fold if I had the Ah because that blocks out SB's "I flopped top pair and the NFD and didn't improve, now I'm mad so I raise" raises.

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06-07-2017 , 05:36 PM

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I've played with this type of player so often I feel the pocket 3s before he turns them over. I think you played the hand fine and I make the crying call.

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06-07-2017 , 07:30 PM

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I would tend to flat out of the BB here, unless LAG is prone to 4 betting somewhat light.

I'd like the flop call better had you flatted pre. As played, I still think it's fine, but you seem to have a pretty capped range once you raise the turn.

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06-07-2017 , 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Lestat

but you seem to have a pretty capped range once you raise the turn.

What? Why?

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06-07-2017 , 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chillrob

OK, here's the final piece of the puzzle:

...River T (not heart); SB checks, I bet...SB raises. I...

It doesn't sound like you've played with him enough to fold.

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