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AlanBostick · 06-05-2012, 06:03 AM

Dumb question: If SB had JJ, why would they check the flop after having capped pre?

bugstud · 06-05-2012, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

by the way again reading over all this stuff I don't think I'm really making much sense, my first post was fairly ridiculous and now I'm just rambling wildly. I don't think I've been sleeping enough and I haven't played any serious poker for like 6 weeks which probably is making me rusty in some respects too. I think its best to just ignore me until one day I hope to be coherent and crushing at gambling and hopefully that will be sooner than later

Totally makes sense to me, matched my internal dialogue when thinking about the hand perfectly. And as Alan said, the flop play by SB is really strange, I basically wouldn't fold any of my value range here and make a note on what they show down. Folding A7 might be a bit much given you see an ace is dead (2 outs vs JJ, ahead vs everything else...)

jesse8888 · 06-05-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by draftdodger

Sounds like the player is Laura, sounds like she has pocket jacks like 99.9% of the time here, sounds like Death Donkey knows his stuff even when he doesn't think he does.

Curiously neither player was Laura.

jesse8888 · 06-05-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

A9 and A4 are the same hand in this spot

Lol oops I forgot that temporarily

nonsimplesimon · 06-07-2012, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

LA 40.

Super Laggy pro opens CO I 3! OTB, SB caps it. SB plays higher and plays pretty well from what I've seen. She is self taught but is aggressive and tends to pick her spots well. She knows CO and I are...wide.

3 ways

A77r

SB checks, CO checks I bet both call. My gut read here is SBs check is honest and she is not setting a tarp.

Jr

SB checks, co checks, I bet, SB raises. Now the CO folds and fumbles A9dd.

Here is my question....from both game theory and "exploit the non game theory player" points of view, what is the best hand I can consider folding? As a player who relies more on exploitation, I was tempted to fold a monster at game speed.

Grunch
Ill try and take a stab. I loved Co folding A9 -Excellent play IMO. KK is ldo fold. I don't think I could fold AJ ... so that leaves AK AQ and AT. AT is an easy fold like A9 ... AQ is a hemhaw ... that's an ok exploitive fold but not as much as AK and DEFINITELY AJ. I dont think, upon thinkjng about it that that I could fold either of those. Gosh I hoped i answered this OK....

nonsimplesimon · 06-07-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KitCloudkicker

well unless i have AQ or better i'm checking this turn 100% of the time, unless i'm playing bad. so i dunno?

i think betting Ax with x < Q is a mistake

AJ?

jesse8888 · 06-08-2012, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by AlanBostick

Dumb question: If SB had JJ, why would they check the flop after having capped pre?

Cause there is an ace on the flop and she doesn't have an ace.

jesse8888 · 06-08-2012, 12:33 AM

OK thanks guys. The results of the hand were exactly as you'd expect, I had AK and failed to fold and she had the JJ ball. I think seeing an ace exposed really should have allowed me to get away from my hand, because I simply never win and at that point I'm hoping to chop with 3 combos of AK (which has to be severely discounted also) and lose to 3 combos of JJ.

Fifty1Fifty · 06-14-2012, 11:15 PM

From sb pov: if we cbet JJ and only Jesse calls, what's our line? x/c turn, bet river if turn checks through? What do we do if he bets twice, assume he can be bluffing?

What's the worst hand you'd vbet Jesse? We don't turn pairs into bluffs vs people that play KK like this right?

If both players call the cbet, what's our line?

GambleLifeAway · 06-23-2012, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DeathDonkey

by the way I should say I'd never fold A7 here, but then I gave up the business of making soul reads on what people have awhile back and I don't think its made me a worse player. I would basically say to myself in this spot "wow she probably has jacks full here" and then I would say "wow there's a lot of money in the pot and maybe she's tricky / weird and maybe my read is bad and maybe a lot of things so let's figure out where I'm at in my range, oh I have a pretty big hand, guess I'm gonna see her cards then"

I guess all I was saying in my first post in this thread is that if you force me to pick her range (which is not precise, its an educated guess) JJ and AA make up a pretty big chunk of it, maybe so much of it imo that we could fold A7, you know, if I was in the business of putting smart winning high limit players on ranges and then acting on that information, which thankfully I am not. That sounds hard.

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