In that blind structure he might be playing really well, anyway your play is so easily the best one I don't know why you posted it, betting twice here vs a guy described as basically good in a 60/120 game is just lighting money on fire, his range crushes our hand on this flop

The problem with checking back the flop is that it gives you no additional information. If he's bluffy and you checked to induce, fine. But you need a reason to check and it doesn't sound like you had one. Or at least you haven't told us what it is yet.

You did say you planned to call turn/fold river. Why? Are you simply trying to hit a queen or hoping a king will sometimes be good getting 3.5:1? I don't like it. It's almost always worth a bet to take it down as the pre-flop raiser heads up getting 5:1. If he doesn't fold, at least you get to see how he responds. If c/r'd, you have an easy call to try and improve getting 8 to 1. If he calls, make a decision from there about what to do on the turn. But as played, you are no further along in gaining information and are reduced to more guessing as the hand progresses and mistakes become more costly.

Then why the call turn/fold river plan?

Because we have outs?

Yes, this. I also don't understand it, even though I do see logic in the flop check back

Enough outs??

If he's playing really well he's playing a balanced range there which should mean betting the flop is the best play. I also don't know how it is on the west coat but a guy isn't "basically good" or even close just because he hasn't cc or limped pf in 4 hours of play.

I think you check back the flop because you think he has a really narrow range that this flop hits, on top of having a balanced flop c/r range. I rarely see that combination. I'm not even sure how much this guy can be cring optimally since his range on this board is pretty capped given pf.

I would bet and probably check a blank turn and think about bluff catching on some rivers but probably fold. The pot is relatively small and our range is strong if you play tagish pf so I don't worry about Ax floats.

I don't see how you could know that your conclusion follows from that premise.

Full ring? 4 hours live at ~30 hands an hour means that this could be only the 12th time you've seen him in the SB. 12 times in that situation is a small sample. Can you know he doesn't call with small pairs here to invite the BB in for implied odds?

It just doesn't feel like betting here with outs could be a huge mistake, and getting check raised here is cheaper and provides more info (IMO) than checking back and being led into on the turn. I'd rather b/c and fold turn unimproved if he takes that line, or take a free river if he plays it passive.

I just don't think you can say it that easily with someone you've played 4 hours with. A button open with this player in the SB may literally have never happened in 4 hours.

Just seems like so little of any decent players cold calling range misses this board and we're gonna get c/r alot. I like otr's line.

How to play the flop depends a lot on your history (of which it appears there isn't much.) It also depends on what you want your future to be like.

Whatever sb has, he is ****ing it up preflop.

No decent player coldcalls here.

Try to construct at least a semibalanced range for calling the sb in this spot and see how much you would fold if a tagish player cbet the lj.

i like OTR's play in this specific situation, but also just like firing as a default strategy.

with that out of the way, your overall assumption that 'no decent player coldcalls here' is ridiculous. the BB may have given off a fold tell, the guy could be thinking hes opening up some weird edge against OTR by CC'ing here etc....

commerce is full of skilled players who do the occasional/often weird thing preflop. most of them are asians over 30.